9mm loads for general purpose, good terminal bal. and distance

[scubadds]

Bouncing back to loading 9mm from .308/ and starting on .300 wm

Need some input on loads for glocks, mainly g34 fitted barsto and trijicon rmr

I like the feel of the 147s, I am not trying to barely meet pf, don't plan on any events anytime soon

I want a good general load for defense, general range and shooting at distance..

I found 100 yd shots fun with the rmr. Even some 200 yd shots.

Problem is, I have not thought at all about loads, that drop less at distance.

Perhaps I am asking for too many criterias to be met, but I would like to hear that 147 jhp, or fmj with a given velocity would fit the bill

I presently use bullseye, but have found a place locally with good selection of powders.

I have gotten a chrono recently, but haven't checked what I used to load of bullseye.

Hope this makes sense. iPad typing, so excuse creative spelling.

[Alaskapopo]

Bouncing back to loading 9mm from .308/ and starting on .300 wm

Need some input on loads for glocks, mainly g34 fitted barsto and trijicon rmr

I like the feel of the 147s, I am not trying to barely meet pf, don't plan on any events anytime soon

I want a good general load for defense, general range and shooting at distance..

I found 100 yd shots fun with the rmr. Even some 200 yd shots.

Problem is, I have not thought at all about loads, that drop less at distance.

Perhaps I am asking for too many criterias to be met, but I would like to hear that 147 jhp, or fmj with a given velocity would fit the bill

I presently use bullseye, but have found a place locally with good selection of powders.

I have gotten a chrono recently, but haven't checked what I used to load of bullseye.

Hope this makes sense. iPad typing, so excuse creative spelling.

Do yourself a favor and don't use reloads for self defense. One of the best 9mm loads out there for terminal performance is the +p Federal 147 grain HST.

[Hi-Power Jack]

I want a general load for defense, range and shooting at distance..

I found 100 yd shots fun with the rmr. Problem is, I have not thought at all about loads, that drop less at distance.

Bryan, if you're looking at distant shooting, wonder if the lighter

faster bullets might offer some trajectory advantage.

I was shooting my .45 and 9mm at a hundred yards, and the 115 gr 9mm

had a large trajectory advantage. Much easier to hold over at distant.

[gm iprod]

Lighter faster 9mm will give better trajectory out to 100y, by about 1" less drop over the 125gr, and 4" less drop over the 147gr, when all are started at about 155power factor (about maximum safe pressure for me in most carry type handguns). The 147gr drops to 187ft lbs at 100y and the 115gr and 125gr both have about 300ft lbs.

My main criteria would be what is the most accurate at 25Y and 50Y and that you respond the best to under recoil. I tend towards the 125gr at about 1250fps depending on barrel length. Factory ammo is loaded to about 50fps less than this so be aware of the differences between points of impact if you have both available to you.

[scubadds]

Thanks

Good tip on the federal hst, I will for sure upgrade to those...I do wish I could make load similar to the federal 147gr hst. Store away a good bit for "emergency use".

I didn't see the projectiles available separate like other rounds. I wonder what s a close second? Gold dots?

I am surprised to see that big of a differenence in energy with the 147 at 100 yds.

Thanks guys

[PingJockey]

I use 124 gr. +P HST for SD, but wouldn't hesitate to use Gold Dots. That said, there is quite a controversy about using handloads for SD..If you do a search, you will get plenty of hits.

[scubadds]

Roger on the handloads for SD, would not put those in anything I carry on person or car.

But, I feel uncertainty with the future price of ammo; was thinking I might as well have a large box of higher performance ammo set aside....

So, maybe the 124 gold dots? Trying to find bulk isn't easy, so many places out of stock

If anyone comes across 1000rd of a quality hollow point 124gr to 147gr I would appreciate you sharing...

[cecil]

Roger on the handloads for SD, would not put those in anything I carry on person or car.

But, I feel uncertainty with the future price of ammo; was thinking I might as well have a large box of higher performance ammo set aside....

So, maybe the 124 gold dots? Trying to find bulk isn't easy, so many places out of stock

If anyone comes across 1000rd of a quality hollow point 124gr to 147gr I would appreciate you sharing...

try.... www.precisionDelta.com

i just ordered 5M of the 124gr HP.. fast service..

[MstngLX50]

Might consider the Hornady XTP, not the greatest performer expansion wise, but extremely accurate and readily available. It should do what you're looking for.

Appears to be in stock at midway.

[PingJockey]

Yup, the XTP would be a great choice. Since they are more for target than SD, the Hornady HAP would also be a good choice. It is a non expanding hollow point.

[Alaskapopo]

Roger on the handloads for SD, would not put those in anything I carry on person or car.

But, I feel uncertainty with the future price of ammo; was thinking I might as well have a large box of higher performance ammo set aside....

So, maybe the 124 gold dots? Trying to find bulk isn't easy, so many places out of stock

If anyone comes across 1000rd of a quality hollow point 124gr to 147gr I would appreciate you sharing...

In that case Montana Gold JHP's should perform about the same as Hornady's XTP based upon how th bullet looks. I shoot them extensively. I guess I will have to do some testing in Gelatin or wet pack with them.

Pat

[gm iprod]

Montana Golds do NOT perform the same as Hornady XTP. In Goats at 20 - 50M from a Ruger Carbine the XTP and the Sierra 125gr HP perform similarly, slightly more expansion in from XTP and slightly more penetration from the Sierra, no real surprise. The Gold Dots over expand a little and penetrate the least, they especially did not like big lumps of hard muscle and or bone. The Montana penetrated well held together well but did not expand as much I would like.

All Goats died quickly enough, none ran around much after the first shot. Some needed two or three, but I could not say that was because of the projectile, more likely operator error and moving targets and slightly aggravated animal.

[Hi-Power Jack]

Gold Dots over expand a little and penetrate the least, The MG did not expand as much I would like.

GM, what velocity ? Any measurement on expansion

and penetration? All 125 grain?

Edited October 21, 2012 by Hi-Power Jack

[OUshooter]

Handloads with the right projectile are fine for SD, but for the love of all things holy DO NOT use Montana Gold JHP for SD.

They are not meant for SD/hunting. They make the JHP so that for a given bullet weight you can get longer bullet

I've seen lots of major PF MG JHP that did not expand at all after impact.

MG makes a great product, but they just aren't right for all applications.

[Steve RA]

This would not be a good bullet for hunting or SD but I got excellent accuracy from the WW 130 gr FMJ Super bullet. That was in a Glock 17L. Worked well on steel also.

The 130 gr is the one I'm speaking of:

http://www.winchester.com/Products/components/bullets/centerfire-handgun/Pages/full-metal-jacket.aspx

Edited October 21, 2012 by Steve RA

[FightFireJay]

+1 for MG 124 gr JHP, very high quality and accurate, but they DO NOT EXPAND!

+1 for Federal HST carry ammo, I carry 165 gr .40 S&W HST.

Streichers.com has Fed HST, Speer Gold Dots, and Hornady FTX ammo in 50 rnd boxes for the same prices I often see 20-25 rnd boxes in big box stores.

[gm iprod]

Hi-Power Jack,

Velocity was about 1200fps all with 125gr, what a good hot load in a handgun would be. Trying to see what handgun velocities would do to an animal. Not legal to get caught hunting with a handgun here, so I used the rifle and downloaded until the Ruger produced what I wanted from the handgun. Otherwise the 125gr can do about 1350 - 1400 fps easily in 16" of barrel, I have loads with slower burning powders that will go about 1600fps in the Ruger, Federal factory Hydrashok will go about 200fps faster in the rifle than in a Glock 17, and this held true for my home loads with Titegroup, 231 and N320.

Never bothered keeping the bullets as I knew what I was looking for, essentially big deep holes in flesh. In hindsight I should have made better notes and kept the projectiles for a really useful and informative article, but I was more interested in messing about then than I am now. The only real data I have is the velocities when I chronographed, and got the speed I wanted.

BTW 180gr JHP from Zero work much better on the goats at 1050fps in a Suppressed Ruger Carbine, the rest don't run away as quickly once the shooting begins. Same load in a 5" Para goes 900fps, not quite Major.