pries81 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I've been a Glock shooter for most of my USPSA/IDPA career. I've argued that the stock barrels are more than accurate enough for...well...anything. Recently, I purchased a G24 NIB for USPSA Limited. From the beginning I seemed to have issues calling shots and hitting steel at distances. I did a glocktriggers.com trigger, magwell,recoil spring and Sevigny sights to spruce things up a bit. After some time getting used to shooting the pistol,I saw no improvement. Offhand groups and groups off the sandbag come in at 5" at 25yards. I'm used to teaching the bottom of a soda can a lesson at 25yards with many of my glocks. I've also had a former Bull's Eye shooter and a sandbagging USPSA Master shoot the same abnormal groups. I have tried a staggering number of different hand-loads and factory ammo, all with no change. What do I look for in a bad stock barrel? If something is wrong with the stock gun, will Glock fix it on warranty? Do I need a drop-in or fitted aftermarket barrel? Thanks in advance :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty whiteboy Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 What is the load data, reloads or factory ammo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) I don't remember all the factory ammo. The last one I shot was a Federal 180fmj load. My hand loads are: Rainier 180hp, 4.5 gr titegroup at 1.14 col Rainier 180hp, 4.6 gr titegroup at 1.13 col I also tried some 165s. The above two loads were the most accurate. When I changed the load the group seemed to get larger, never smaller. I'm really puzzled because I have had great success with these loads in: 2 diff. G35s, my STI, my XD, a G20 w/.40 barrel, and my G27. At this point I'm thinking it's the gun. I know differnt guns will "like" different loads but this seems off to me. Edited October 16, 2012 by pries81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noximus03 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I'd be willing to go out on a limb and suggest a barrel change, preferably a KKM or Barsto. Might be a little difficult with what they may or may not have in stock. One thing to remember if you go that route is that Glock chambers are a tad but generous whereas the after markets are not. Keep that in mind when reloading fired brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 What are you complaining about? You still win every match you shoot! You can try my G24 sometime if you want. Will not be at PB this weekend though. I have a KKM in the G24 and a Barsto in the G35. Both seem to be fine, but I haven't shot groups with them for so long I probably forgot how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 What are you complaining about? You still win every match you shoot! You can try my G24 sometime if you want. Will not be at PB this weekend though. I have a KKM in the G24 and a Barsto in the G35. Both seem to be fine, but I haven't shot groups with them for so long I probably forgot how. I would like to try it sometime. I'll be at Renton this weekend. I think I'm gonna try a friends stock24 barrel to see if there is a difference. Any ideas what I should look for in a bad barrel? P.S. I wish I won every match I shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsay Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) I put a new fitted Bar Sto in my 34 for the same reason. I haven't benched it yet but hope to soon. I'll let you know if it was worth it. With shipping and fitting, it was almost at another gun with them. The 34 with the factory barrel was noticeably looser at the hood area compared to a 17 I have that shoots groups that are roughly half the size. Edited October 17, 2012 by simonsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 What recoil spring is in the 24 I'm the spring is on the light end for your striker spring in can move the barrel slightly out of battery when firing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 14 lb recoil, 4.5 striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Aww, sandbagging M? You're so kind! Also, get a fitted Barsto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsay Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Got to test the new bar-sto in less than favorable conditions this weekend. I did see a little more consistnency with the atlanta arms ammo and some hope for improvement. I have since picked up some titegroup and hornady 147s to test also. I was hoping the clays would work, since I have several pounds left but it looks like it's time to move on. I have an e-mail in to bar-sto. I was curious what they suggested as far as bullets, shooting lead, and if .355 vs .356 would make a difference. I'll post when they respond. Edited October 22, 2012 by simonsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Have a smith put a good crown on the stock barrel. In the two instances where I found less than expected accuracy, that was the culprit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaylanGivens Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Have a smith put a good crown on the stock barrel. In the two instances where I found less than expected accuracy, that was the culprit. So, you're thinking an off center crown is causing the problem? Do you have to shorten the end of the barrel to put a new crown on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Thanks for all the input guys. I installed a stock barrel from a friend's Glock 24 and instantly shrunk my groups by half. So,it is the barrel. What can I do? Doesn't this seem like a factory waranty issue? What is a crown on the barrel? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSAF Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I would call glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 What is a crown on the barrel? It's the interior bevel at the muzzle end of the barrel. Any imperfections there have a real effect on accuracy, and any gunsmith worth their salt should be able to put a new, good crown on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Have a smith put a good crown on the stock barrel. In the two instances where I found less than expected accuracy, that was the culprit. So, you're thinking an off center crown is causing the problem? YES Do you have to shorten the end of the barrel to put a new crown on? Technically NO (the crown can be recessed) , but the G24 has plenty of barrel to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOST Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 BARREL LOCK-UP !!!!! Have someone add material to the lower locking lug of the barrel... TIG weld ..... Factory or Aftermarket Even some aftermarket barrels( gunsmith-fit) doesn't have enough material at the lug. Some frames are tight and some are loose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetback Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Bill Springfield does barrel Tig weld on stock glock or after market barrels. $49 plus shipping. www.triggerwork.net Quick turn around to. Lock up is improved/tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I would call glock about it or go aftermarket barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOST Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 What good is an aftermarket barrel if the lock-up is loose? I know of two shooters that actually wanted to get rid of their Glocks because they couldn't get the accuracy they wanted even AFTER installing a new aftermarket barrel , then keep changing to ANOTHER aftermarket brand without results. ( lucky for them I knew the fix and know how to TIG) . They even wanted me to keep it a secret !!!! Actually he many of YOU are guilty of this? Why even waste your time trying/testing different powder and bullet combos if the barrel is loose?? Why ? Why ? Seriously, I really dont think that even a "gunsmith fit barrel " is necessary!! The drop-in with a tight lock-up is perfect . I use aftermarket barrel only because I shoot lead. The OEM is perfect for jacketed because of its faster twist rate...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOST Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 What do you think Glock would say if you complained about the accuracy ? Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garyg19 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 What good is an aftermarket barrel if the lock-up is loose? I know of two shooters that actually wanted to get rid of their Glocks because they couldn't get the accuracy they wanted even AFTER installing a new aftermarket barrel , then keep changing to ANOTHER aftermarket brand without results. ( lucky for them I knew the fix and know how to TIG) . They even wanted me to keep it a secret !!!! Actually he many of YOU are guilty of this? Why even waste your time trying/testing different powder and bullet combos if the barrel is loose?? Why ? Why ? Seriously, I really dont think that even a "gunsmith fit barrel " is necessary!! The drop-in with a tight lock-up is perfect . I use aftermarket barrel only because I shoot lead. The OEM is perfect for jacketed because of its faster twist rate...... How does someone determine if the barrel lock up isn't tight enough? I'm assuming the slide is off the frame, then what do you check? Conversely how do you know when a barrel is too tight? I keep hearing about filing the lug, but which lug surface? Am I on the right track? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pries81 Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 Like I said above, I tried a different stock barrel and it solved the problem. This would tell me that it's that barrel (right?). I called Glock and of course the only thing I could get out of them was, "send the gun in to us..." Anyway, whether it's the lock up, the crown, ammo, the economy, or el Nino, I need the gun to shoot matches. :) I ordered a new barrel and will send the old one off to Glock. If nothing comes from that because I didn't send the whole gun in, well I'll say a few curses on Glock QC and move on. Thanks for the help here guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonovanM Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) A new stock barrel? This TIG welding the lug surface is new to me, but I dig it. What will it do compared with the results of a match grade slide lock? Edited October 25, 2012 by DonovanM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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