StraightUp_OG Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 They frame the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I like the "frame" concept. I can't remember who gave me my first shot calling lesson - LONG AGO - but the analogy of a camera taking a snapshot was his explanation of what was the last thing you needed to remember, when the gun went off, to call the shot. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcarpenter82 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Geeez and here i thought the sights were purely decorative. Better cancell my complete diamond front sight order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 My field of view narrows considerably when taking a hard focus on the front sight. I'm locked in when I use that hard focus on a single target, to the exclusion of the surrounding targets. However, when employing a softer focus on the front sight, I tend to look over them or through them, and my accuracy suffers. Please share any thoughts on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The trick lies in keeping your focus moving. From the target, back to the front sight, over and over and over... Locate (see clearly) the first target, and as your sights are coming toward it, bring your focus back to where the front sight will be when it stops on the center of the target. Keep it there just until you see the sight lift and call the shot, they your focus is off to clealy locate the next target, as soon as you've found the target, then immediately shift your focus again back to where the front sight will be when it stops on the target. You might check out the Transition Drill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm going to take your counsel and employ the transition drill in tomorrows practice. I'll be asking for part two real soon. Regards, Wade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyGlock Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Sights could give me every input I need but also coild block me from learning other possible types of aiming. It took me years to learn that I could hit As on close targets w/ just the pistol slide as aiming device bcoz of my stuborn adherence to front sight aiming. But the fs helped me reach this type of aiming. And I did not force it. It just came to me in d middle of nowhere. Until now it just come and go. So my default are my sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jshuberg Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 1 - They are a mechanism for precise and accurate shot placement under low/no stress scenarios. 2 - They are a training aid for developing the procedural memory necessary for point shooting. 3 - The front sight is a training aid for discovering and understanding your optimal shooting technique. 4 - The rear sight provides a mechanism to rack the slide with one hand when injured or under duress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimberacp Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I like the "frame" concept. I can't remember who gave me my first shot calling lesson - LONG AGO - but the analogy of a camera taking a snapshot was his explanation of what was the last thing you needed to remember, when the gun went off, to call the shot. be was it Ron Avery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I like the "frame" concept. I can't remember who gave me my first shot calling lesson - LONG AGO - but the analogy of a camera taking a snapshot was his explanation of what was the last thing you needed to remember, when the gun went off, to call the shot. be was it Ron Avery? I can't say for sure... Why did you ask if it was Ron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimberacp Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 because I remember reading something he wrote were he mentioned that...about the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I wonder if maybe I told him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panic Flinch Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) When I walk the rounds onto my target with my full auto machine gun, they don't do a damn thing. Furthermore, when I'm shooting steel at 7 yards (pistol) they don't do much either as well. I can pretty much muscle memory those rounds on to the steel and hear my hits as feedback instead of the sights. But No matter how much of a Yoda you are... and no matter how much of the force you use, I have a 338 Lapua that won't hit anything at a mile unless you line "something" up. I believe sights as a tool will mean different things to different people depending on how much skill they have with the given weapon system. Some folks can walk on water without even a flash site picture. Others could not hit the broadside of a barn without their use. So....Do with them what you will, but make sure your skill level is in proper accordance to their use. Edited October 8, 2013 by Panic Flinch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 They frame the moment. Very nice....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 I can pretty much muscle memory those rounds on to the steel and hear my hits as feedback instead of the sights. Hmm. The external feedback you get there will be delayed. For the 7y steel you speak of (kinda close?)... Steel Challenge would add 0.04s for bullet flight time. If you were looking for holes in a paper target, you'd be waiting that long for the feedback. With "hear the hits" you have the additional time it takes sound to travel back to your ears. You may be better off trusting proprioception/kinesthetic awareness/muscle memory. But, man...sometimes you can really be on with that...and sometimes you can be off. At least, that is the way it seems to me. I trust my vision sooo much more. I think we all do, really. And, there is no delay. In fact, I can get visual information even before the round has actually fired. I can use that to information, in a variety of ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpeltier Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 They provide the interface between the conscious and subconcious mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jshuberg Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 They provide the interface between the conscious and subconcious mind. Could you expand on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Sights are a visual reference that may be used to determine where the gun is pointed. Grunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45dotACP Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) "I don't always use my sights at close range, but when I do...I don't!" Watch them lift my friends... In all seriousness though, I find that I use them a lot when shooting a steel popper, texas star, or other "fun" target. I don't really remember seeing them so much on a close range "hoser" target (like 3yd or closer) much more than the first sight picture. Then I just trust that they come down in pretty much the same spot and send another off once the trigger is reset. Medium range, I don't really aim, so much as I catch the front sight and don't really care about the rear. I really care about alignment for targets past 15 yards. Edited October 18, 2013 by 45dotACP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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