IPSC Production plattforms

[freezingduck]

So I have put about 5.000rds downrange with a old glock 17.

I have a new gen 4 that arrived yesterday at my dealer.

I think everyone needs to own at least on Glock.

Starting to get more and more hooked on IPSC shooting I think I need to reconsider some of my thinking.

I have only shot for about 4 months, and usually placed in the top 25% at competitions.

The competitions here is usually around 15 Production shooters and only 5 standard shooters, so Im pretty set on production.

The last competitions my biggest problem is stages with a lot of N/S and only a small amount of scoring area at longer ranges.

Here I can see how the SA is good thing.

There is one practice a week at my club for IPSC, the rest of the week there is 25m bullseye and similar practices.

I try to train at least twice a week for live fire using other styles of competition to fine tune accuracy and so on.

I love the fact that the glock has the same trigger pull every time, is cheap, easy to use, have no external safetys, easy to transition between targets, and works every time.

I belive that some of the reason why I place so high at competitions already is that my gun works every time while other guns seems to break down on a stage at almost every competition, nothing big, mostly mag related it seems.

I see that almost all the top European shooters use a CZ, and I have tried one but it was to early in my shooting carrier to really feel the big difference.

I called the norwegian importer of sig, who says that thay don,t have any extractor problems anymore on the X-Five, and that the check every weapon before sale.

He could sell it to me for about the same price as a CZ.

He was on the Norwegian team for almost 10 years in IPSC.

He said that he liked the feel of the X-five better than the CZ, the sig had a better trigger and that even though the muzzle flip might be a bit bigger than the CZ, it was more consistent, which is even more important shooting one handed than the glock and CZ

He also said that the build quality was better on the SIG.

The SIG can also shoot lead cast bullets which the glock cannot without applying for and buying another barrel.

Sadly I cannot shoot the Glock 34 in production, so that leaves me with 3 choices the Glock 17 with a stock trigger, the CZ SP01 Shadow and the SIG X-Five DA/SA.

The CZ is is a pure range gun.

Buying the X-Five, I can keep a normal P226 with a Suppressor and light/laser as a HD gun with a similar feel.

Staying with glock, I dont get a SA trigger after the DA, but I know it works every time. and I can buy a Glock 34 for Bullseye to stay with the same system.

Hoping I can get some good advice on which route to go.

Not looking to save money on buying the cheaper one, but looking to getting the best gun for my use, both bullseye, IPSC and Home defence.

I have no doubt that I will be able to master the DA, with the benefit of SA afterwards.

I plan on casting bullets for all my practice ammo, that means that I have to buy a aftermarket barrel if I choose to shoot glocks.

In norway that will brings the cost of a glock up to at least the same as the SIG/CZ

Edited September 29, 2012 by freezingduck

[poortrader]

Hi. Which Sig are you looking at? Only the Tactical has the rail, and it is single action only. Plus, you would need a thread barrel if you were to put a suppressor on it. The Sig X-5 all around is DA/SA, but it does not have a rail.

I am a big fan of Sig, but between the two if choosing from DA/SA, I would buy the CZ. I like the look, weight, and of the CZ. The Sig would be a close second. Do you have the ability to test fire both before buying? This will help a lot with your decision.

Good Luck

[freezingduck]

Thankfully They still produce the P226 X-Five allround tactical in Europe, which is DA/SA.

the picture is the wrong one, but here is the specs.

http://213.162.225.74/F0216/main.aspx?page=article&artno=34226054

Its on the production list as well;)

as a HD gun they also sell a limited edition made for the Norwegian SF called the X5 short, which is a X% with a normal P226 slide, which should make a great HD gun, they can deliver a treaded barrel as well;)

http://213.162.225.74/F0216/main.aspx?page=article&artno=34226955

here are all the primary Sigs they sell, they are all made in Europe of course, so the so called drop in QC at SIG USA is not a concern.

http://213.162.225.74/F0216/main.aspx?page=articlelist&gid=1012&gidlevel=0

I have to use the allround or allround tactical for production, since they are the only one on the list;)

I don't think I have a chance to test shoot them before I buy them:(

Have to order them online, since nobody has the SIG x_five here at least.

I am able to try the Shadow and a normal P226 without a beavertail.

Not shore how much difference it is with an X-Five

[freezingduck]

the exchange rate to norwegian kroner is about 6, that tells you what everything will cost.

the glock is around 6000nok or 1.000usd, and a new barrel is around 3000nok or 500 dollars at least.

i get about 20% discont on the sigs, nothing on the cz which is around 10.000nok.

Its also a lot more fun to do well with a gun that almost no one shoots, like the X-Five;)

[freezingduck]

I see that one forum wrote that in the austrailian nationals in 2011 85% used CZ.

Is the CZ a better gun than the X-Five, or is it that the CZ is normally cheaper and everyone is using one anyway, so why not me?

[Cardinal]

as a HD gun they also sell a limited edition made for the Norwegian SF called the X5 short, which is a X% with a normal P226 slide, which should make a great HD gun, they can deliver a treaded barrel as well;)

http://213.162.225.74/F0216/main.aspx?page=article&artno=34226955

Keep in mind with this you would have to shoot in Standard division, minor PF.

I think I would get a CZ SP01 Shadow. (the 10k Shadow must one of the custom one, as base price is around 7.4k)

The shadow is easier to sell if you decide to get rid of it and the SIG will loose A LOT more value when sold used...

Also in the use discussed here , I don't see what extra the SIG will allow you to do vs CZ

and home defense isn't really a factor since you have to keep it empty in an approved safe.

basically I think the reason to buy the SIG are if you simply want to be different.

Otherwise get the Shadow

Edited September 29, 2012 by Cardinal

[freezingduck]

I wasn't planning on using the X-Five short for Production class, but as more of a fun gun, and class gun.

I have taken a couple of classes years ago, primary rifle but as a handgun as backup.

Would like to take some more in the future.

[freezingduck]

If the CZ and Sig would be just as good as each other, I would order two X-fives to have one as a backup for competitions.

If the CZ is a much better choice I would order two custom CZ 75 SP01 shadow.

here is the link for the CZ.

http://www.wingevapen.no/index.php?do=product&id=2926

Aluminium grips

Hammer spring changed to 13lbs

recoil spring changed to 10lbs

competition hammer

By ordering two guns at the same time, I get a better price and if i buy one I have to buy spare mags, which is actually pretty expensive, when I buy two sets, I have enough mags also.

Edited September 29, 2012 by freezingduck

[freezingduck]

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Edited September 30, 2012 by freezingduck

[Stan-O]

I've made my choice when I moved from P226 to the Shadow. I do miss SIG's sweet SRT trigger however I couldn't get a decent grip on a SIG without keeping pressure on the slide release button so it would never lock back after last shot, so I ended up with the Shadow.

If I were you, I'd try the SIG first and if you don't have same problem as me and the money's no object, by all means get the X5.

[mattwaage]

Im a big SIG fan but they just are not the game gun CZs are.

[tag129]

you should check out the Grand Power X- Calibur. From what I heard, is the best Polymer gun and best in SA.