jwc2011 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I just got a new edge for uspsa and need help with light recoiling loads for 155 and 180 gr. loads I am older and eyes just don't see the front sites fast enough for heavy loads. I am not that good but want to keep doing what iI enjoy. I have tightgroup,W231, and clays so I hope someone can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g mac Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) You can start with the minimum recommended loads from hodgdon.com for those powders you mentioned, and see how those feels for you. You can work the loads up as needed. The 180s would definitely feel better, since you would use less powder than the 155s:cheers: Edited October 13, 2012 by g mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 I just got a new edge for uspsa and need help with light recoiling loads for 155 and 180 gr. loads I am older and eyes just don't see the front sites fast enough for heavy loads. I am not that good but want to keep doing what iI enjoy. I have tightgroup,W231, and clays so I hope someone can help. Try 4.7 grains of clays under the 180 grain bullet, loaded to 1.22. It is VERY SOFT! The first 3k rounds I loaded on my 650 was this load and it worked great. The more experience reloaders on here, scared me away from Clays for 40 major, but I never had an issue with it. Brian Enos himself told me he's shot 100s of thousands this same load with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Will it still make major? Looking for a 40 minor load for production. N320, WSF, WST and Unique are on the powder shelf. =P Bullets avail are 180 grain Xteme Plated, or 180 grain Precision Delta FMJ. Although I do have some 165, 180, and 200 grain moly bullets. Edited October 13, 2012 by Maksim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Will it still make major? Looking for a 40 minor load for production. N320, WSF, WST and Unique are on the powder shelf. =P Bullets avail are 180 grain Xteme Plated, or 180 grain Precision Delta FMJ. Although I do have some 165, 180, and 200 grain moly bullets. 4.7 made major out of my 5" AET barrel with MG 180 grain JHPs. For Minor PF, I would think 4.0 to 4.3 would be a good place to start. However, since you can't load out to 1.22 with most (any?) production guns, you would have to load closer to 1.120 which would probably prevent you from using Clays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flycaster Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Hmm. Doesn't it say "Please do NOT post load data on this forum"? I'm not trying to be a killjoy, just looking at Mr. Enos' rules. If I'm wrong, please say so. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Yes this isn't the reloading thread, it is the noob question thread, comfusing at best since we have a noob asking a questions. So lets turn it around a bit. Rather than asking for load data the Question is how can I make my Edge more shootable. I don't think that Minor is the answer for an Edge, not for an old guy, I have some expierence at that being old. The Edge is a nice heavy gun that absorbs recoil rather well, it is often over sprung on the recoil side. If you are shooting the original Recoil Master, ok that works for most or you could run either a 14# or 12.5# spring. To help with the weaker wrists and weaker skills a Tungsten guide rod puts a couple oz's out front to help hold the gun down. Bullet selection is also another stubling block for the noob trying to compsensate for skill and style. I highly recommend going with Moly bullets, this reduces the powder charge necessary to produce a major power factor, it makes the gun easier to shoot, that along with Double Plugging, yes reducing the noise level with a new shooter reduces their preceived recoil, a loud gun seems more violent than one not so loud. Heavy bullets and fast powder, in the Edge make it very shootable. If you wanna test this get a box of 165gr Federal CQB ammo, those sucker will break your wrists. My typical noob progression story, I started old 60 I think CRS, Walley world sold 40 for $7.57 a box only a fool would reload, but then it was $16+ a box so I started reloading, first stop was 200gr FN Zeros with 4.3gr of TiteGroup, 14# recoils spring, not bad ran this for a year, then a GM buddy tells me how he won the world shoot using Precision Moly, out of Kemp TX and WST, so next on to 4.7gr of WST and the 185gr Precision Moly, now were talking nice and soft accurate and a little smoke to go with my bang. N320 is heap good stuff and just 4.4gr with the 185gr Moly hits major. Bayou bullets have similar performance. This isn't reloading data, since it is missign the CRITICAL element, OAL. Think of it as 1.185 for 185gr or 1.200 for 200gr. After a couple of years I played with recoil springs and a bill drill and found out I was way faster with a 12.5# recoil spring, but the 14 works good for lower skill levels. Going to a steel match SSC type is one of the most humbling things a new shooter can do, yeah, there you are all rigged to the max watching a revolver guy tear thru the stage at warp 2.5 seconds then you get up and turn a nice 7 seconds with a couple misses maybe more trying to push it. Here there are only A hits no B,C,D so accuracy is king. I did try some minor here those 185gr with 3.8gr of WST, like shooting an airsoft but the issue remained the same I tried to shoot faster than my eyes could see the sights. For USPSA my best advice is to stick with Major, you need the points, shoot 20,000 rounds and you won't even hear the gun or feel any recoil when you shoot a stage, it will be just you the sights and the target. The gun goes up it comes down its that simple. However you have to do your part with the platform, don't lock your elbows, your shoulders will scream at you, do bend forward slightly at the waist and break those knees a bit, the platform is your shock absorber done right you won't have any physical ill effects from shooting. Now we have the points under control it is a matter of learning to position precisely and to move efficiently. After 3 years of doing it like an idiot, I took a class with Straighter, you known USPSA pres, In one day I learned more than I had in 3 years of shooting two matches a week, no I don't run like the wind, but I can beat a young dude on a stage by being smarter (stage breakdown) and moving more efficiently and position precisely. Wow, long winded post, just drinking my morning coffee reading how the 3 gun match today is canceled, now what no hurry to grab the weed eater and get strated on the Honey Dew. Dry Fire, boring a hell but very good for improving your gun handling, sight eye speed, and transitions, draw, reloads, and has the added benefit of building those muscles you use to shoot. 30 minutes a day for a month and you will be astounded with your improvement. Get a video of how to do it right or take a class. Good Luck. Old Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Will it still make major? Looking for a 40 minor load for production. N320, WSF, WST and Unique are on the powder shelf. =P Bullets avail are 180 grain Xteme Plated, or 180 grain Precision Delta FMJ. Although I do have some 165, 180, and 200 grain moly bullets. An STI EDGE is not an approved production gun....It's a SA gun... http://www.uspsa.org/rules/production_list.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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