Optic & WI Area Event Q's

[DaveI]

Hey Everybody,

I am interested in getting into some sort of shooting sport or classes. I'm writing in for two reasons, at least to start. Optics and local class/sport opportunities.

First, optics. This is for my Bushmaster ACR. I've done a lot of reading so hopefully this will be fairly straight forward. I am looking for something mainly 0-300 yards since that's what my local range has. I realize if/when I do 3-Gun I'll have to shoot longer, however most of the time I'll be shooting within those distances. I'm going from iron sights, so this will be my first optic however I'd like to "buy once, cry once" within reason. If I had to prioritize, just personal preference, I would probably prioritize CQB stuff rather than super long-range precision stuff. I'm also open to learning whatever reticle makes the most sense. Going from iron sights (pistol & just recently learning aperture), dots are what I'm most familiar with, however the horseshoe makes sense (i.e. if it fits in the horseshoe take the shot), and chevrons also seem like something I grow to love. I'm also fine learning to use an ACOG w/ Bindon Aiming Concept (BAC) technique (or trying and getting a micro red dot if I can't), if that's my best option.

I am open to suggestions. I've been looking around however thought I would ask specific to the venues I want to participate (what kind of brought me here in the first place) and the places/distances I know I'll be shooting at mostly anyway. That said, what has appealed to me so far from looking and reading has been:

Accupoint TR24 w/ the green triangle: I really like the simple uncluttered look, the green stands out to me, it can work as a RDS/GDS(?) at 1x, plus no batteries to die. If this had holdover chevrons/dots/dashes I think this would probably be perfect for me. But that's a guess. Also, it's American made which is a plus (nothing against other countries, I just like supporting U.S. businesses).

ACOG: I'd kind of written off the ACOG, however reading more about it, it sounds like I should at least consider it and using the BAC style of targeting. I always shoot with both eyes open anyway, so hopefully that would help.

Meopta ZD 1-4x: Basically, it's a relatively simple design with holdover chevrons. I wish it were green, but that's not a huge deal. I like the point of the TR24 triangle a bit more looking at it, however the ZD seems to have a lot of what I'm looking for.

Vortex: The Viper PST or Razor both make sense. I'm not sure if for me it pays to jump up to the Razor or not, nor how well people like the Viper reticle.

Other: I'll listen to arguments as to whether it would pay for me to just save up and get a Nightforce NXS (I know a lot of people seem to really like those), or a 1-6x like the Bushmaster Elite 1-6.5x or whatever else.

Second I'm wondering if any of you have suggestions for good classes or venues to get into something like Three-Gun, IDPA, or the like in the Wisconsin area?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

-Cheers

[g mac]

I used Burris TAC30 (1x-4x)for local 3G competition, works good for me. I could easily take accurate shots up to 200yrds (max range we have locally). Nikon M223 scopes are good too.

[jrb06]

Whats your location? Couple clubs are doing 3 gun in WI Holman (Eau Clair area), Winnequah (Lodi area), Ripon.

[DaveI]

Thanks for the replies thus far.

Whats your location? Couple clubs are doing 3 gun in WI Holman (Eau Clair area), Winnequah (Lodi area), Ripon.

I'm in Oshkosh, WI.

-Cheers

[DaveI]

Would it be overkill in my situation to just save up and go from iron sights to the Vortex Razor Gen II 1-6x?

-Cheers

[mattwaage]

THat is a nice scope with nice feature but also expensive.

Try a burris MTAC 1-4 or 1.5-6 they are around 400 bucks and are great scopes.

Great glass is always a must but the price of the vortex vs the burris you would have to ask yourself if you would see 800 dollars in benefits.

I would be wiling to wager the MTAC 1-4 is one of the most popular optics on 3G rifles.

[DaveI]

jrb06, Ripon is probably my best bet. Do you or anybody else reading this know the distances for their range? If/when I do Three-Gun, that is probably where I'd be basing out if unless there are other clubs close by Oshkosh. I'm sort of mulling over mattwaage's advice and thinking of going with something more like a Burris, Vector Viper (as opposed to the Razor), even a used Accupoint TR24g, or the like and sticking with a lower cost but still nice optic (and 1-4x over 1-6x) since I'm not going to appreciate the pro's of a top-shelf optic.

-Cheers

[norbyam22]

Holman closer to lax, Waukesha area I heard has some. I'd go mildot, battle sight aiming with 45 degree offset red dot

[DaveI]

What are the general ranges for the Three-Gun competitions in WI? I'm trying to use this to plan which optic to buy and the guy at my LGS who I really trust pretty much said they tend to be ~100 yards or less (to the ones he's been to at least) with the occasional farther shot here or there. Any input for that?

-Cheers