mdschappell Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 I have been seeing some information about a Rock Island Arsenal 2011 double stack, but the website for RIA isn't up. Has anyone seen one yet, and if so, how does it look? Any good for an entry level 2011 limited project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy13 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I ran a 9mm single stack tactical for my first comp gun. Honestly it's a 10k pistol at best in my opinion. The metallurgy just isn't there for a high round count pistol. I ran a glock for the last year before I could build my STI and its still going strong. Just my .02 Hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryYu Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I ran a 9mm single stack tactical for my first comp gun. Honestly it's a 10k pistol at best in my opinion. The metallurgy just isn't there for a high round count pistol. I ran a glock for the last year before I could build my STI and its still going strong. Just my .02 Hope it helps. What do you mean by that Jaggy? I'm currently running a Rock Island Match as my single stack gun with about 2k through it. No failures yet, it likes to eat extractors, but are you saying that you started to see metal fatigue or cracking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinLei Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have a RIA 1911 and 4 other STI's. Can't tell the difference in quality between the RIA and STI's. One of my STI is a Spartan, with the frame made from the same factory as the RIA. I think the main difference is not in metallurgy, but internal components and tuning. I have all internal parts in my RIA changed out with other brands to suit my preference. Only the slide, frame and barrel remain original. At least those parts have lived up to the quality of my STI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedale Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I ran a 9mm single stack tactical for my first comp gun. Honestly it's a 10k pistol at best in my opinion. The metallurgy just isn't there for a high round count pistol. I ran a glock for the last year before I could build my STI and its still going strong. Just my .02 Hope it helps. Bull-I have a 9mm single stack with over 10k thru it. No signs of strain. Prove it. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggy13 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 My experience was the mostly with the slide and barrel that made me choose other options. After about 7k I started noticing a burr on the rails of the slide, my gunsmith explained that the slide was expanding laterally and coming out of square. He snugged it up once but told me the steel in that slide may not be capable of much more tensioning. After 10 k it was back to loose again. The effect it had was at slide lock or rear most travel of the slide, the slide would cant to one side or the other digging the frame rails into the slide cuts. Whenever I cleaned it I would chase the slide and debur. The bbl was also beat up on the link and ramp area. My original budget allowed for a barrel so that was ok to replace. The frame seemed fine and fire control is reasonable to change at that point as well. But the slide? Not for me. It took it out of the price point for me. I could have continued to shoot it and maybe got to 15k before catastrophic failure but I say it's a 10k pistol based on a buyer guideline. If your going to to shoot 10k a year or more through it, I think it's more cost effective to go another direction. If you want to build it up over time, it may be a good solution for you. Mine was a great pistol, it shot well and was reliable, long term though... It was not. I shoot about 20k a year and for me it just wasn't going to cut it. If you've had better luck than me, great! I still recommend them for plinkers. But in our game I spend more on ammo than the firearm, I want it to last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryYu Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Thanks for the clarification. That makes much more sense and I will definitely look for signs like what you saw in yours. Eventually I will replace the Rock Island, but I'm hoping to delay it as long as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have been seeing some information about a Rock Island Arsenal 2011 double stack, but the website for RIA isn't up. Has anyone seen one yet, and if so, how does it look? Any good for an entry level 2011 limited project? The Rock Island Armory 2011 is not a double stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryYu Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Their 1911A2 is double stack and uses Para P14 mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg80 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 There is a saying I have heard and believe it was Lincoln, but not sure....."it is better to stay quiet and let others think you are stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" or something like that....... The gun mentioned in the original post is a new gun coming out from RIA (some actually are out already) that is a double stack 9mm and 45 with full picatinny dustcover, magwell, Hogue or VZ grips, and it comes with a Novak style adjustable rear and a fiber optic front. It takes some serious "Google Foo" to find information on it, but there is some. It uses Para mags as well. Put this wording in a Yahoo image search and it was the second picture for me........ Armscor Precision 2011 tactical double stack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynes_world_45 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 http://gunsgunsguns.net/rock-island-armory-tactical-2011-high-capacity/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centilltpgc Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Saving my pennies for this one. Hoping to get the 45 and swap out uppers with my 38super/9mm RIA so I can shoot single stack major and have a high cap 9mm if I get into 3 gun. I cannot find any that are actually for sale and they have been talked about for a while, so I guess I will continue to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauxdog Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Don't think that one will work in single stack. It has a full length dust cover and rail, so I don't think it will make the weight limit and it has a 14 round capacity. Beauxdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie j Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Saving my pennies for this one. Hoping to get the 45 and swap out uppers with my 38super/9mm RIA so I can shoot single stack major and have a high cap 9mm if I get into 3 gun. I cannot find any that are actually for sale and they have been talked about for a while, so I guess I will continue to wait. That double stack gun will not be legal for Single stack division. Since its a double stack , and not a single stack . And won't make weight, and won't fit the box , and has a full rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Saving my pennies for this one. Hoping to get the 45 and swap out uppers with my 38super/9mm RIA so I can shoot single stack major and have a high cap 9mm if I get into 3 gun. I cannot find any that are actually for sale and they have been talked about for a while, so I guess I will continue to wait. That double stack gun will not be legal for Single stack division. Since its a double stack , and not a single stack . And won't make weight, and won't fit the box , and has a full rail. Don't think that one will work in single stack. It has a full length dust cover and rail, so I don't think it will make the weight limit and it has a 14 round capacity. Beauxdog Sounds like he has a Single Stack 9mm and wants to buy a double stack in .45, swap the uppers and end up with a Single Stack .45 and a double stack 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie j Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 That should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryYu Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Would you have to verify that your 9mm has a ramped barrel or you would have to ramp the frame? I thought that 45 to 9mm swaps didn't work so well because the frame itself is countered to the .45 cartridge and not the 9mm and would have problems feeding the 9mm. Oh, that and ejectors. Those probably are not the same between 9mm and .45. Edited September 12, 2012 by TerryYu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a matt Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 WOW! Save a little more and get an STI and shoot it for a couple of years. Find out what you like call Cameron's customs and have them build it for you. My 2 pennies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie j Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Would you have to verify that your 9mm has a ramped barrel or you would have to ramp the frame? I thought that 45 to 9mm swaps didn't work so well because the frame itself is countered to the .45 cartridge and not the 9mm and would have problems feeding the 9mm. Oh, that and ejectors. Those probably are not the same between 9mm and .45. None of the RIA are ramped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz83 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Talked with RIA 2 weeks ago and they are ready to be shipped but they are having issues with the Magazine manufacturer. Once that gets resolved, they should be shipping. She said they were hoping to ship before the holidays but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danish Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I just had the LGS put one these on order so the above news is very encouraging. This will give me all winter to get it ready for three-gun next season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsydlooknin75 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I just had the LGS put one these on order so the above news is very encouraging. This will give me all winter to get it ready for three-gun next season!! What was the price ? Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danish Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 All the owner told me his price was $520 so I would assume it's going to be in the $625-$650 range.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STPDK9 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 I was fortunate enough to locate one of these beauties at my LGS approx. 2 months ago. After searching the internet feverishly, I was greatly surprised to find that this shop not only had one, but three in stock. Two of them being .45, and the oter being 9mm. After much research, I decided to take the leap and make the $747 OTD purchase. Aside from only coming with one magazine (Para P-14), I was greatly impressed. Not only with the finish, but with how smooth it felt. On my first range experience with this gem, I put 500 rounds down range. I didn't experience any FTF or FTEs. However, after purchasing 5 additional mags at $25 each, I decided to take it thourg its paces at a local USPSA practice match. During this run, I had FTF issues on 3 of the 6 mags. One of the mags shot the follower out of the top of the mag, and exposed two coils. After taking all of the magazines apart, and chalking the issues up to new magazine gremlins, I attended a second match the following week. On this go-round, I only experienced 1 FTF on 1 mag. Overall, I am extremely pleased with my purchase. It shot sub 1" groups at 25 feet, with ease! Although I agree that this double stack is no STI or SV, I definitely feel that it was a wise purchase. In addition to this, I searched for 6 months trying to find this gun's little brother, the 1911 A1 FS Tactical, with VZ grips, mag well, adjustable rear, fiber optic front, and full dust cover. I was finally able to locate one on uesday of this week, and quickly made the purchase. It's scheduled to arrive tomorrow at my LGS. A full review will follow, once it's put through its paces. I hope this was helpful! Stay Safe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primo86gt Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I just picked up the RIA double stack TCM, $593 OTD, took out the TCM barrel and spring and installed the supplied 9mm set up, only had a chance to run 5 mags through it , very pleased with it, took it home and checked trigger pull it was 3.5 to 3.75 lbs tried it about 7 times (love it ) it takes the Para P18 mags, Mag that was supplied was a MecGear MG P18 .38S ordered couple more from Greg Cote, the double stack 45 uses P14 mags, friend has the 45 and we used my p14 mags in it.. Fit is great finish is nice, GREAT GUN FOR THE MONEY Now they need to offer the Double stack 45 in a tactical version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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