bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I have a new 2011 Edge having feed problems. At the time I had an AFTEC extractor installed loads are MGB 180 JHP loaded to 1.180 OAL. I put the standard extractor back in and the problem went away with my loads but last night I was shooting some factory winchester white box and had the same problems. Is this a Mag, feed ramp or extractor issue???? Adjusted extractor tension on the standard extractor I am not convinced it is an extractor issue at this point. Any help is greatly appreciated. It is doing it with all the mags I have including 3 tuned mags..... Thanks, BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I have a new 2011 Edge having feed problems. At the time I had an AFTEC extractor installed loads are MGB 180 JHP loaded to 1.180 OAL. I put the standard extractor back in and the problem went away with my loads but last night I was shooting some factory winchester white box and had the same problems. Is this a Mag, feed ramp or extractor issue???? Adjusted extractor tension on the standard extractor I am not convinced it is an extractor issue at this point. Any help is greatly appreciated. It is doing it with all the mags I have including 3 tuned mags..... Thanks, BK Try taking the front spring out of the Aftec and see if that changes anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) I have a new 2011 Edge having feed problems. At the time I had an AFTEC extractor installed loads are MGB 180 JHP loaded to 1.180 OAL. I put the standard extractor back in and the problem went away with my loads but last night I was shooting some factory winchester white box and had the same problems. Is this a Mag, feed ramp or extractor issue???? Adjusted extractor tension on the standard extractor I am not convinced it is an extractor issue at this point. Any help is greatly appreciated. It is doing it with all the mags I have including 3 tuned mags..... Thanks, BK Try taking the front spring out of the Aftec and see if that changes anything. I tried taking the back spring out of the AFTEC didn't change anything.... I put the standard STI extractor back in and the gun ran flawless. But last night I decided to shoot some factory Winchester white box to see what would happen. And the same thing is happening as in the pics above......With the standard STI extractor. Edited August 24, 2012 by bkeeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 What's oal on the factory rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I had the same problem with WWB in my SV. they don't like short loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OperationHitFactor Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Call David Cup @ STI. PM me if you want the number. I had feeding issues and it turned out the frame was out of spec. Not saying that's what it is but the one of the only pros to buying an stock Edge is you get the lifetime warranty. They do stand behind their product, so if don't get it running after some minor tinkering. Call STI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 What's oal on the factory rounds? Don't really know I don't normally shoot factory rounds..... The Pics are my reloads at 1.180 oal and that was with the AFTEC extractor installed and when I put the standard STI extractor back in the gun ran fine with my loads but the same problem with factory rounds.....I know the 2011 platform likes a little longer round but I would like it to run factory rounds as well......if I ever need to use factory rounds for some reason.... Thanks, BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Here is another pic a little blurry but looks like the round hasn't even started under the hook of the extractor yet..... Thanks, BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I know it says not to mod the AFTEC but has it been smoothed over where the rim slips under the hook or is it bone stock? How about the stock extractor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 I know it says not to mod the AFTEC but has it been smoothed over where the rim slips under the hook or is it bone stock? How about the stock extractor? The AFTEC has not been touched the standard extractor has been polished under the hook corners rounded. The last pic I posted looking at it doesn't seem that the round is even starting under the hook when it stops in the chamber. Never had to deal with gun issues like this getting irritating. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 May need a little more fitting on the Aftec. Aftec needs to turn in the frame maybe a little more bevel on the firing pin stop or a stoning opposite from the extractor. Might try using older springs or compress the new ones. In some cases remove a spring till the Aftec settles in. Once an Aftec is tuned you'll be pleased, they work. Reloading for an S-I pistol in 40S@W is a place the Lee U die shines. It will size the brass tighter and closer to the extractor groove. I've seen over a dozen times just going to the U die will get a S-I pistol running. I like to load out a little longer 1.220, feeds better. All your pictures look like the extractor is tight. Most of these guns don't care for factory lenght ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 It looks as if the extractor is too tight. Before you loosen extractor tension, make sure the feed ramp is polished like a mirror. A weak recoil spring can also cause this. The extractor tension needs to be just enough to hold a loaded round. Remove the slide, guide rod and barrel. Slide a loaded round under the extractor. Install the barrel and push it up into lock. Push the barrel down and out of the slide. The round should stay under the extractor. Also be sure that there is a relief cut on the bottom side of the extractor where the round starts to go up under the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 the AFTEC is no longer in the gun It is doing it with the standard STI extractor the tension on the standard extractor is just so it holds an empty case the tension is loose... Thanks for all the replies.... I am just not convinced it is extractor tension looking at the last pic I posted the rim of the case has not even started under the extractor hook before it stops in the chamber. I have the tension pretty loose on the extractor it just holds a empty case. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 I measured the feed lips on my mags and the mags that were giving me trouble the feed lips at the front were wider than my tuned mag that I have not used. Will see what happens this weekend. Seems like it maybe a mag issue the round coming out of the mag to quick before it starts under the extractor hook? I don't know thanks for all the feed back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleman75 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Another thing to check would be the breech face. That should be polished very smooth, with something that will keep the surface very flat. If the back of the case catches a rough breech face, it will case a FTF, just like a too-tight extractor. The fitment of an extractor for 38/40 is also very different than 45acp. The actual hook tip should ride on the deep inner grooved portion of the case on the .40 instead of the inside of the hook actually touching the edge of the outside of the rim of the case (like on 45acp). Brazos has great technical articles and pics on his web site discussing this. Education and experience is the best tool for making game guns work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Have you tried this? When it FTF, move the slide backward about 1/4" or so and release. Does it go into battery? How about tapping the rear of the slide when it FTF? Does it go into battery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 Have you tried this? When it FTF, move the slide backward about 1/4" or so and release. Does it go into battery? How about tapping the rear of the slide when it FTF? Does it go into battery? Tapping the rear of the slide it does not. Pulling the slide back a little sometimes it does other times it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 My thinking is this: when running short ammo(factory flat point)the round hits the ramp,turns upward it hits the hood at a steeper angle than the longer round nose. When the angle is that steep, there is not enough room under the extractor for the case to make the move from upward to level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See_Archie_Shoot Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Had the exact same thing on my 45acp Trojan. Ended up being that my reloads didnt have enough crimp. Crimped to 2 thousandths and the problem totally went away. I've seen factory ammo that instead of a crimp had a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01G8R Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 The Aftec is going to need some tuning to work properly. I don't care what the instructions say. They do not work properly out of the box. The bottom corner needs to be contoured, the edge that should touch the rim needs a feeding relief cut, all contact surfaces should be polished and they usually need to be relieved on the front so they don't hit the barrel. Ramped barrel feeding issues with short (factory length) ammo are well known. Every factory ramped barrel I've seen has the feed ramp cut incorrectly. Most need to be modified to feed all lengths of ammunition reliably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 The 1.180 length round is perfect. Assuming your FP stop was modified as instructed, if you'll take the front spring out of the Aftec, I"m pretty sure it will run 100%... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Hello: Set the feed lips on the mags to 0.394" front to back and see how it feeds. Check the barrel inside the chamber to see if there is any material that is picked up on the top of the chamber. Another thing to check is the firing pin hole for any burrs or brass shavings. Lastly check the slide on the opposite side of the extractor for any burrs or brass pickup on the breachface. Hope this helps. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See_Archie_Shoot Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Is the rim touching the extractor? When i was having the trouble i tried to lengthen the OAL and it was better but it would still happen occasionally. I ended up carrying the gun to Dave Dawson. He looked at my ammo and saw i didnt have a crimp on my reloads. I went home adjusted my crimp as advised and the problem immediately went away. I never would have thought to look at the crimp if it wasnt for Dave. I'm no expert, but i thought i would share my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APL-G35 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Looks like an extractor to me. Have you checked the clearance from the front of the breech face to the extractor? It should be .060 also try removing the front spring like the others have said. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkeeler Posted August 27, 2012 Author Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Running a standard extractor set up very loose today and had 5 failures today with my reloads running 1.180 OAL. The gun is going back to STI. When it jammed today I took a good look at it and the round is jammed up into the barrel hood and the back of the round is at the bottom of the breach face the round isn't even touching the extractor. I could take my finger and pull the extractor towards the outside of the slide. Thanks for all the replies...... BK Edited August 27, 2012 by bkeeler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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