californiasushi Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) I hope Vortex brings out a 2-12 or a 3-18 based on the Razor 2. I would buy one in a second for my precision AR. Pat There's a thread in the scope section of Sniper's Hide about the new Razor HD Gen II 3-18x50 and 4.5-27x56. Also updated reticles for the 1-6, a MOA reticle and a mil one. Edited December 13, 2013 by californiasushi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I hope Vortex brings out a 2-12 or a 3-18 based on the Razor 2. I would buy one in a second for my precision AR. Pat There's a thread in the scope section of Sniper's Hide about the new Razor HD Gen II 3-18x50 and 4.5-27x56. Also updated reticles for the 1-6, a MOA reticle and a mil one. Sweet thanks! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I hope Vortex brings out a 2-12 or a 3-18 based on the Razor 2. I would buy one in a second for my precision AR. Pat There's a thread in the scope section of Sniper's Hide about the new Razor HD Gen II 3-18x50 and 4.5-27x56. Also updated reticles for the 1-6, a MOA reticle and a mil one. Yep, I am definitely getting myself a 3-18 Razor Gen II, I cannot wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtaylor996 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Eye box, I'm guessing, means AFOV. Does anyone know what the AFOV actually is on this (in degrees)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I do not know but I will find out for ya tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassnbud Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Just ordered my 2nd Vortex 1-6 from Omar. Thanks Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durtywrench Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 If I had the cash for another vortex it'd definetely do business with Omar again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Just ordered my 2nd Vortex 1-6 from Omar. Thanks Carlos Thank you, Carlos and it is going out today If I had the cash for another vortex it'd definetely do business with Omar again. When you need Vortex call my name 'cause without Vortex my life just wouldn't be the same If you want Vortex come sunny skies or rain When you need Vortex just call my name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Eye box, I'm guessing, means AFOV. Does anyone know what the AFOV actually is on this (in degrees)? 23.5 Degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_at_Vortex Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Eye box, I'm guessing, means AFOV. Does anyone know what the AFOV actually is on this (in degrees)? Well, kind of. Apparent field of view is certainly related to how a scopes "eye box" is, but AFOV is just one part of the equation. You can certainly have two scopes that have the exact same AFOV, but yet one may have a more forgiving eye box than the other. This is because the eye box of a scope is a combonation of AFOV,eye relief, and the optical design in general. When it comes down to comparing the "eye box" on different scopes your best bet is to try to get some actual shooting time behind said scopes. Best Regards Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtaylor996 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Thanks, I'm not familiar with the eye box term. I have a background in astronomy and satellite optics, however. From what you're saying I would take eye box to mean the window of eye positions with a clear view (so eye relief along with depth of focus and AFOV). 23.5 degrees makes no sense for an AFOV, however. That must be the true field of view, rather than the apparent one. I have some specialized telescope eyepieces with a 30 degree AFOV, and it's like looking through a soda straw. I've never seen through this scope, but I'd guess it's gotta be minimum 55 degrees. 55 degrees comes from a basic plossl eye lens design. However, from comments I've read, I'd guess that this guy runs a nagler-ish design (integrates a Barlow that gives a more forgiving eye relief and better AFOV) on the eye lens for ~70 degrees AFOV. The integrated Barlow design would explain the weight and the size of the eye lenses in the vortex scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott_at_Vortex Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) jtaylor, When comparing AFOV between spotting/tele scopes/bino's and riflescopes you have to take the actual FOV and eye relief into consideration. The actual FOV on the former is generally MUCH wider than riflescopes. A main cause of this is the very different eye relief lengths. Eye relief on the former is MUCH shorter than the eye relief on the latter. Common eye relief on spotting scopes is 15mm-22mm, whereas common eye relief's for riflescopes are 80mm-100mm. With that in mind here is a very simplified way to describe the affects of eye relief on FOV and AFOV. Imagine we are looking through a whole in a piece of paper. If we start with holding the paper away from us and gradually bring it closer to our eye we will notice that we will get a wider FOV the closer we get to our eye. This is a VERY siplified explanation, but the same is true when considering/designing an optical design. Lets remember that AFOV is simply the actual FOV(degrees) multiplied by the magnification. All that being said, an AFOV of 23.5 degrees on a riflescope is considered to be exceptionally wide,especially with 4" of eye relief. Visually,the perception would probably be similar to a 65-70 degree AFOV in a spotting/tele scope. I am only aware of one other riflescope that has a similarly wide AFOV and FOV. Hopefully I explained this well enough. Let me know if anyone has any questions. Best Regards Scott Edited January 2, 2014 by Scott_at_Vortex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtaylor996 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for that explanation. Especially including the info on the spotting scopes. Nikon makes fantastic eyepieces for spotting scopes that get used for telescopes as well (72 deg AFOV, I believe). Pentax has some crossover as well with the XW line (they also make some specialized astro EPs, unlike nikon). So that is something I can directly compare to your explanation. My supermono eyepieces I use on telescopes (with the 30degree AFOV) do in fact have extraordinarily short eye relief (like a couple mm on a 4mm FL EP). Still, I may just have to go somewhere with stock and compare. Unfortunately, finding AFOV info for rifle scopes is difficult. Do you have numbers for some comparable scopes? Like the tac30 or mtac vs the vortex 1-4 pst (I think bass pro carries those)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Just so everyone knows, we've got 5 of the brand new Vortex Razor HD Gen II 1-6x24 VMR reticles (moa) in stock. Naturally I've also got plenty of Razors with the JM-1 reticle available as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick S Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Any ETA for the VMR Mil reticle? Thanks Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I have to go somewhere with stock and compare. My local gun shop has a stock that you can place a scope on, and look thru the scope - very helpful comparing scopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyops Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 eurooptic has them IN STOCK....I just bought one today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durtywrench Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Ya but is it as good of deal as thru Omar at southern guns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cajun0007 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I was sick and tired of reading all of these post about how great the Vortex Gen II w/ JM reticle scope is so I broke down and bought one. Zeroed it today at 200 and that was quick and easy. Love how small the illuminated dot is in the reticle. Glass was very clear. Will get to stretch its legs this Saturday at the NTXMG match. Hopefully we will be going out to 500 to see how this BDC works out. Current scope is the Swaro and I love it except for the size of the illuminated dot. I will report back after the match this Sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I packed one of these up from another BE member. I love the optics but there is a lot of resistance when changing powers even with a throw lever attached. It's so stiff that I basically have to tuck the stock under my arm and crank away but even then it takes me about 3 seconds to change from 1x to 6x. Is something wrong? The previous owner mentioned removing some residual Cerakote and I wonder whether that could have affected something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehorn Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 That actually sounds normal. The power adjustment rings are pretty stiff. I know some folks have sent theirs back to Vortex to have them loosened up a little. I re-positioned my throw lever so that 1x Is all the way down on the left, just enough to get a finger under. It seems to give me little more leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinWolv Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I packed one of these up from another BE member. I love the optics but there is a lot of resistance when changing powers even with a throw lever attached. It's so stiff that I basically have to tuck the stock under my arm and crank away but even then it takes me about 3 seconds to change from 1x to 6x. Is something wrong? The previous owner mentioned removing some residual Cerakote and I wonder whether that could have affected something. Not sure what is normal for most, but I know my friend's Razor 1-6 is much more stiff than mine. I can easily rotate mine over with MGM throw lever with weak hand, while his can be also, but takes noticeably more force to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troupe Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 As soon as I get enough post to list a couple of single stacks, I will be calling Omar. I need a scope yesterday !!!! Looking forward to the 1x6. I know have a 4x16 and it tracks as well as can be. Very pleased. Always wondered if Vortex may not be affiliated with Nightforce. Tommy Roupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick S Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 eurooptic has them IN STOCK....I just bought one today! Did you get your scope yet? If so how is the MRAD reticle? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernGunsLLC Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 As soon as I get enough post to list a couple of single stacks, I will be calling Omar. I need a scope yesterday !!!! Looking forward to the 1x6. I know have a 4x16 and it tracks as well as can be. Very pleased. Always wondered if Vortex may not be affiliated with Nightforce. Tommy Roupe Definitely not affiliated with Nightforce, unless by affiliated you mean soon to be blowing them out of the water!!! -Omar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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