cguy1177 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Just bought a boatload. They're 19.99 per 500 at midway on sale. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/930807/remington-ctf-frangible-bullets-9mm-luger-355-diameter-90-grain-flat-nose-box-of-500-bulk-packaged Anybody got any load data? thanks EDIT to add important data (according to the link): Remington CTF Frangible Bullets 9mm Luger (355 Diameter) 90 Grain Flat Nose Box of 500 (Bulk Packaged) Edited July 27, 2012 by Flexmoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cguy1177 Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 also was wondering about the 100gr. .357 sig CTF bullet also on sale for 19.99/1000 Any thoughts on loading this bullet in 9mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Frangible bullets are harder on the barrel rifling than fmjs, or copper plated bullets. I would highly recommend not loading .357 frangibles in a 9 barrel just out of concern for maintaining the accuracy of the barrel with standard sized rounds. However, I have not actually tried this . . . and won't as a result. Thanks for posting this great deal! What a great open division steel bullet. Edited July 26, 2012 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Frangible bullets are harder on the barrel rifling than fmjs, or copper plated bullets. I would highly recommend not loading .357 frangibles in a 9 barrel just out of concern for maintaining the accuracy of the barrel with standard sized rounds. However, I have not actually tried this . . . and won't as a result. Thanks for posting this great deal! What a great open division steel bullet. They are .355 diameter. Gladly put 2k of these 100gr aside for Zombies. Thanks for the link! (I shot LOTS of speer 100gr .357sig frangible bullets/ammo when you could get the ammo really cheap, it was decent stuff for the price) Edited July 26, 2012 by DWFAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Awesome, though I just noticed they also aren't any cheaper, 20 for 500, not 1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer1 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 I bought some of the Sig bullets when they were on sale for $35 and loaded them they shot great out of a 9mm the only thing that makes it a Sig bullet is the longer straight areas on the sides to give neck tension in the bottle neck cartridge. I have both 9mm 100 and 357 Sig 100gr. and that is the only differece. As for being hard on barrels they are Copper and Tin the same materials used in all other bullets. This is just my opinion but with out hard evidence that they cause barrel excessive wear I am going to keep using them. For what it is worth I had excellent luck with accuracy and reliability out of both types but the 9mm 100gr are sold out only 90's left. Load them off of size not weight so a 100 is more like a 124gr. and as always start low and work up. Ramshot list loads for frangibles and I think a few others do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 In regular bullets, the copper is on top of softer lead and the lead gives, allowing the grooves to form more easily than in a solid copper and tin projectile. The FBI is the source that accumulated the data showing how much harder on barrels frangible bullets are, though I'm not sure it's available online . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Midway still showing both available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxer1 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 In regular bullets, the copper is on top of softer lead and the lead gives, allowing the grooves to form more easily than in a solid copper and tin projectile. The FBI is the source that accumulated the data showing how much harder on barrels frangible bullets are, though I'm not sure it's available online . . So you can't show me where the research has been done showing this? Also some bullets feature a steel jacket that is over the lead and those have been used as standard target loads in Europe for a long time. As far as being hard so are hard cast lead bullets that have tin in them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmo412 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Too good of a deal to pass up! I ordered 1500 to try in my open gun for steel matches. Anybody know how fast you can push these bullets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) The FBI didn't publish their research online, at least in easily accessible areas. However, apparently Gunsite, the training facility, has stopped using frangible bullets due to accelerated barrel wear. You can call them and ask them about it if you want. Apparently the wear also has to do with the coefficient of friction of the sintered metal. http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/Ammunition/Pistol%20Revolver/Disintegrator.aspx The Remington Defender ammo makes a claim that the CTF ammo does not, saying that the smooth copper jacket "virtually" eliminates barrel erosion. The CTF does not have a copper jacket and makes no such claim. Edited July 27, 2012 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I really should have ordered some of these. I don't know what I'd do with them, but they seem really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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