RWF Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h446/rwfilidei/IMG_7121.jpg will add the info tomorrow Edited July 25, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) i do not know anything about open shotgun building, but did it the way i wanted to kept the pistol grip. will give more info tomorrow. my typing is worst than my gunsmithing. hint i do not know what i was doing. its a 24" VM with a Grizzly brake made up North, trigger and lifter by C-rums, with a Messa short Tactical stock. the bolt has lighten about a oz. the Vortex does not fit a weaver rail, but does now. the break does work! i will tell more tomorrow. thanks RWF Edited July 25, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) M1778 sorry about my screwed up posting, No the pistol grip is not in the way. will explan tomorrow Edited July 25, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Thanks for the pics and reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Damn, it looks heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 That does bring up a good question. What does it actually weigh, Rob? -- Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 That does bring up a good question. What does it actually weigh, Rob? -- Mike now remember my bathroom scale lies, but it says it weigh's 11.0# even. believe it or not the heaviest part to me is the shell holder on the check piece which i have not decided if it will stay. the brake is not as heavy as it looks. the 2011 catolog says appox 7.5# average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthyBlagga Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 That's looks like quite a reach from the pistol grip to the trigger. Which gun is that Mesa Tactical stock designed for - Benelli M2? M4? Other? Did you try installing the stock without the gray spacer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 sorry about my typing, if you do not understand because of left words or spelling just ask. okay, if anyone cares, there is not alot 12 gauge breaks out there, that i could fine. Jeff at grizzly gun works out of Canada, work with me on making sure i had clearance for a X-Rail and for a Versa Max the X-Rail needs 0.235" of room to work per X-Rail. the barrel has been shorten to 24" plus 2" for the brake. the mag tube is a +7 C-Rums did the trigger and lifter i like a short stock and really need a pistol grip because of my wrist and want to go open because of arthritis also in my hands so i can play for a little longer. and everyone i checked with about putting a speed chute on and keeping the pistol grip, where very unsure if they even wanted to try. which i can understand. the center hole on the speed chute is the one it came with. its for a M2. which if mounted to a standard VM would be fine. but i needed to move it forward and the lines on the VM get wider more forward you go. and not knowing what i was doing gave me hell. the rear hole is the new pin hole. the others are for set screws that were suppose to kept it solid, did not work and kept trying to work/fix it-the wrong thing. what the problem was the rear part of the plastic mount push against it because my pin holes were not even close to being square. anyway lots of work on the wrong thing, any way ended the plastic mount is no longer one piece but 2 halves mounted with Dev-con and 8 x 32 (i think) set screws into the receiver and on the side oppisite of the bolt release a longer set screw that also is flush with chute. all of it not really needed now that i understand it better. the gun shoots fast and stay's level. friday i can let know how fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) That's looks like quite a reach from the pistol grip to the trigger. Which gun is that Mesa Tactical stock designed for - Benelli M2? M4? Other? Did you try installing the stock without the gray spacer? damn i wish i could type, saw the time on your post so i worked on that last post over a hour. no it is not a reach at all, did try a M2 Messa stock it was a disaster, my fault. the one in the picture is the Messa Tactical short stock 1100/11-87. the stock and VM are not even close to the same width. the grey spacer is for looks it super soft and just looks thick because the rest of it is super compressed to hide the differentance in thickness between the 2 peices. that is why i added it. it only about, less then 1/8" thick between the 2 parts. also it came from the factory stock. also i was surprised with this being a 3.5" gun the recoil assy is way short to mount normally to the stock. Edited July 26, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 also the bolt handle and release are for the M2 i got from Chris (CPWSA) also another note when i told him what i was trying to do he and Jeff (c-rums) both tryed hard to find which speed shute would work, but anyway Chris told me to try it and i could return it no issue as long as i did change it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 one more thing, i had place a order with Brownells so went ahead and ordered a few M2 trigger parts like hammer springs, carrier dog and spring etc. and they all work fine and were drop in parts. it was just a test and worked great the factory parts are back in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) shoulder pad = 3.95 oz check peice/riser with shell holder = 11.40 oz muzzel break = 12.39 oz. also i need to add the clearance from X-Rail for the VM only as is different for the other models. Edited July 26, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcoller Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Looks very nice. Is the extra weight affecting your shooting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 Looks very nice. Is the extra weight affecting your shooting? Thank you, No really i never thought about it beening heavy, til someone said something. have not use at match yet, but at home i will say it helps, along with the break, i can shoot it faster and easier than any shotgun i had before. BUT I HAVE TO SAY I HATE-to strong least favorite- shotguns, i am not a shotgun person. so if you are a good shotgunner the wieght maybe a issue. also with that said, if wieght is a issue then, to anyone, then i would not think about a full sized X-Rail for the VM it 22 rounds so that means having a box of shells hanging from the end of the barrel. next year i hope to have one, if not banned because of some dumb-ass trying to see how many people they can get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I'll get my XRAIL on the 26" Versa Max this weekend and let you know how it feels all loaded up with ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'll get my XRAIL on the 26" Versa Max this weekend and let you know how it feels all loaded up with ammo. Thanks, that would be nice to know since i know i had to be a pain to X-Rail and Grizzly works to make sure they will work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 this for some feeded back, if someone see's something wrong. just works just fine and am just wondering if i am missing anything? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 http://s1110.photobucket.com/albums/h446/rwfilidei/?action=view¤t=PICT0003.mp4okay here is a 8 round run and trying to be on target.8 shots 2.02 secondsdamn slow start 0.50 normal for me, splits 0.19-0.23 fastest 0.17 slowest 0.50 second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 I'll get my XRAIL on the 26" Versa Max this weekend and let you know how it feels all loaded up with ammo. WELL!!!!!! do not leave me hanging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I'll get my XRAIL on the 26" Versa Max this weekend and let you know how it feels all loaded up with ammo. WELL!!!!!! do not leave me hanging! LOL....sorry, man!! The rest of my life got in the way (like my job). I think I can get to it tomorrow. VM needs to be disassembled, carefully cleaned, and inspected anyway before I head out this weekend. Had better do it. Sorry for the delay. Hang in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 thanks, for the update! and know all about life getting the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 XRAIL is on and yes, when loaded it balances much more forward than before. No shock considering how much weight is up toward the muzzle. Getting it on wasn't very difficult at all. I was pleasantly surprised in that regard. I'm not sure how it will be in real shooting, so I will need to test it when I can. Main tube end cap extends ever so slightly past the muzzle, but I doubt it would catch any blast gasses. I want to get an extended choke anyway, so that will be "fixed" in a couple of weeks. Sorry about no pics, but it's late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 when you get a chance to shoot and pictures please do post. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted August 4, 2012 Author Share Posted August 4, 2012 i got to it use today, at a local shotgun only match, it is still not quite right, it missed twice! other than that it ran %100 i am still a little slow, and i also learned those speed loaders are hell to keep up with! thanks everyone! also for me i really do like the weak hand load with the sticks and pistol grip! it has been a lot work,rework and WTF but today was a rewarding day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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