No.343 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You are shooting left hand only. Now you need to reload and transition to shooting with your right hand only. How would you do it? I would like to hear from both lefties and righties on this one. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 For me, I bring the gun up close to my solar plexus, and watch the gun moving from one hand to the other to make a positive transition. When using a timer, I loose more time with the little fumble by concentrating on the target than I save. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waltermitty Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You are shooting left hand only. Now you need to reload and transition to shooting with your right hand only. How would you do it? I would like to hear from both lefties and righties on this one. Thanks. Why are you doing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You are shooting left hand only. Now you need to reload and transition to shooting with your right hand only. How would you do it? I would like to hear from both lefties and righties on this one. Thanks. Why are you doing this? In USPSA you would be requird to go from strong hand to weak hand, as if your stonghand has been injured. In ICORE you may be required to switch to either hand. I am right handed and if I am required to go from weakhand to stronghand I bring the revo to the center of my body, grasp the grip with my right hand and preform the reload as normal as I can. Then aquire an acceptable sight picture and blast away. If going from Stong to weak I preform the reload before switching hands. What info are you looking to see specificaly? Later rdd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 In USPSA, it's against the rules to have a course design that requires going from 1 hand to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 So true on the USPSA rules. That said I shot at an Icore match last week that had the same transition from strong hand to weak hand. I debated about saying something, but Icore is not USPSA although they use short form USPSA rules. At least the mandatory reload curing the changeover reduces the chance of a fumbled transition. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waltermitty Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 In USPSA, it's against the rules to have a course design that requires going from 1 hand to the other. This is part of the reason for my question. It is specifically prohibited both in course description and design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskys2 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Not all clubs adhere to USPSA rules 100%, and I've seen courses designed that forced you to shoot with one hand and then the other due to props. You shouldn't see it, without props, at anything but a Level 1 club match though. Don't think I've ever done it WH to SH though. If I did I'd slow down and focus. But going from WH(LH) I'd roll it into my SH and use my SH Thumb to hit the cylinder latch then grasp the frame/cylinder normally and do my normal reload. It would definitely take extra time and the crash factor would be high, so unless you had a fancy technique that you practiced and were confident in, stick with your normal method and just take the extra time to get there safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Flip the cylinder open as you toss the gun into the air with your left hand. If you do it right the moonclip will fall out on its own. The left hand then moves to the belt and picks up the reload. Catch the gun with the right hand on the way down, put in the fresh moonclip and close cylinder, and you're back in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share Posted July 23, 2012 I like the funny replies best. For a lefty this is going from SH to WH. I have traditionally brought my right hand to the gun (not griping it-I'm a lefty) and reloaded normally. I've been playing with the idea of griping the gun with my right hand and then reloading. It doesn't feel awkward at all. I just don't know how much it would be worth to spend the time to practice it. It doesn't feel like it is a lot slower either. I guess I will have to try it in live fire practice, if that ever happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1911 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'm a righty, and I do a weak hand reload (gun stays in my right hand during a reload). I would transfer the gun to my right hand and then do my normal reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester121 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Flip the cylinder open as you toss the gun into the air with your left hand. If you do it right the moonclip will fall out on its own. The left hand then moves to the belt and picks up the reload. Catch the gun with the right hand on the way down, put in the fresh moonclip and close cylinder, and you're back in action. While the gun is in the air, you should be placing the fresh moonclip in the palm of your right hand, bullets up, and catch the gun by the open cylinder, pushing the cartridges in from the force as it lands. This is way faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirpy Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Mike, can you post a video of that? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 While it is against the rules to make the transition from week to strong or vise versa a requirement, you can have a set of props that makes it necessary or at least very hard to avoid. Area 1 had a stage this year that worked like that, you needed one hand on a lever holding a port open one port right hand 1 port left hand. I shot week hand first then transitioned gun to my strong hand and performed my normal reload (week hand reload) then wen to shooting strong hand only. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Mike, can you post a video of that? Richard It would be a spectacular DQ. While it is against the rules to make the transition from week to strong or vise versa a requirement, you can have a set of props that makes it necessary or at least very hard to avoid. No, you can't. 1.1.5.5. Area 1 had a stage this year that worked like that, you needed one hand on a lever holding a port open one port right hand 1 port left hand. I shot week hand first then transitioned gun to my strong hand and performed my normal reload (week hand reload) then wen to shooting strong hand only. Mike That was an illegal stage, per 1.1.5.5, unless it was not necessary to shoot WHO. I can imagine crossing over, depending on the distance from the lever and port. Nevertheless, I would think someone in the chain of command would've seen that and recognized how it could violate 1.1.5.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikerburgess Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 thank you for reminding me of 1.1.5.5 the stage at Area 1 did have other targets that were available from other locations so you were not "required" to go directly from strong to week just you would have had to back track to avoid it, or you could have turned your upper body almost upside down and shot both strong hand only (I saw one taller shooter on my squad do this). Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COF Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I shot a match one time where I had to engage targets from the left side of a long barricade and then move to the right and engage. I reloaded on the move and without realizing it, changed hands and engaged RH from the right side - probably worked because I did it subconsciously and wasn't thinking about it. If I was doing it on purpose, I'd do this Switch hand reload L - R Bang click 1. Hit cylinder release with left thumb 2. Push cylinder open with right thumb and follow thumb through frame. 3. Turn muzzle up and hit ejector rod with RH fingers while retrieving moonclip/speedloader with left hand. 4. Invert muzzle to ground with RH and drop load into cylinder with LH. 5. Start rotating muzzle to horizontal while simultaneously withdrawing right thumb from cylinder window and moving LH forward on frame. 6. Grasp the lower frame with LH fingers while closing the cylinder with the LH thumb. 7. Acquire grip with RH and move LH to support position while acquiring target or remove from gun if WHO stage. Bang Edited July 24, 2012 by COF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted July 24, 2012 Author Share Posted July 24, 2012 Nice description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldchar Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Does bring up a question, how many here shoot the weak side of the barricade, weak handed out of choice. I have been thinking about doing that as I shoot PPC and am somewhat used to it. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.343 Posted July 25, 2012 Author Share Posted July 25, 2012 I seldom shoot the weak side of the barricade WHO. If I only have two shots I can shoot both while falling out of the shooting area. If I have several shots I can usually squat down and gain a little bit of extra reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-gun Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 I seldom shoot the weak side of the barricade WHO. If I only have two shots I can shoot both while falling out of the shooting area. If I have several shots I can usually squat down and gain a little bit of extra reach. In ICORE/IRC, I've shot some targets WHO around the left side of a barricade but I recall them being coup de grace shots from a couple feet away. Any longer and I try to get the right hand on the gun and lean left and around. I've NEVER taken shots while falling out of the shooting area...except for the times that I have...but that normally wasn't part of the original plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihocky2 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 While in USPSA this type of stage is illegal, it is not forbidden by ICORE rules. Additionally, I just shot one of the ICORE classifiers and the classifier stage is starting freestyle, reload, strong hand only, reload, week hand only. Though I have not seen one that mandates weak hand to strong hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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