HOA Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Ok, here we go. Today at a club match, I am called to the line, I take my position in the box. Hands at side, RO is standing one foot from me on my side. He barks a command ( or so I thought, I double plug) I draw to make ready, he taps me on he shoulder and tells me I'm DQed. I had no idea what he was talking about, I ask for what? He says he did not give the make ready command. My problem with the DQ is that an RO, I'm one, should never stand next to a shooter who obviously is awaiting the make ready command and bark something to someone behind the shooter. If its me, I turn or step away from he shooter to talk to someone. I know it wasn't intentional, but I felt he screwed up and I got the DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Ok, I know there are two sides to this. BUT, a little common sense on your RO seems lacking. Ok, here we go. Today at a club match, I am called to the line, I take my position in the box. Hands at side, RO is standing one foot from me on my side. He barks a command ( or so I thought, I double plug) I draw to make ready, he taps me on he shoulder and tells me I'm DQed. I had no idea what he was talking about, I ask for what? He says he did not give the make ready command. My problem with the DQ is that an RO, I'm one, should never stand next to a shooter who obviously is awaiting the make ready command and bark something to someone behind the shooter. If its me, I turn or step away from he shooter to talk to someone. I know it wasn't intentional, but I felt he screwed up and I got the DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 With what you have said it sounds like his bad...... Does he have a swastika on his hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Don't beat yourself up over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If you double plug enough that the orders become hard to hear I would suggest pulling the muffs up until you hear Make Ready. Then once you have heard the command your first action can be to fit them back down into place and proceed with your normal make ready procedure. Do I think the RO was wrong to issue an order while that close without making sure he had your full attention? YEP But ultimately it falls on your shoulders to be sure of the command before you Make Ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) What a wanker.... The RO of course Edited July 16, 2012 by yoshidaex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingchef Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 +1 on the muffs. I have to do the same, and at big matches, I ask; "did you say make ready?" too many accents for me to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisenhow Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 When I double plug I make 100% sure that what I hear is the make ready command. Last week I was double plugged and on 4 or 5 out of 6 stages I turned around, looked at the RO, and said "Did you say make ready?, I'm double plugged and can't hear you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Sorry , but how does that saying go? His mistake, your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleL Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If the RO turned and spoke to someone else to enforce safety, then I could deal with that. If he was jaw jackin with his buddy with a shooter about to go hot on the line, then DQs a shooter for misinterpreting a command..... That's a whole different class of jerkwad. Just my personal opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick romero Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 you shouldn't of got a dq, in my opinion it should have been a re-shoot. like the others said though don't beat yourself up about just take it and move on for the next shoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 I know I will never make ready again, without asking ,did you say make ready? He is know as a hard ass RO if he can call a C a D he will. The swastika comment croaked me up. He does have a heavy German accent. I can laugh now, but I really thought it was unfair at the time. Live and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 EVERY time I went to the line in the future and he was the RO I would ask for another RO..... Well within your rights and it would get the point across for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Maybe the RO should read Rule 8.3 - Range Commands. If his first words after taking his position was not "Make Ready", what is his excuse? His failure to do his job contributed to your DQ, but bottom line is you pulled out your pistol before the "Make Ready" command which results in a DQ. If I were that RO, I would probably felt worse about it than you did. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 you shouldn't of got a dq, Yes he should have. As much as we all so far seem to think the RO screwed up, the simple truth is he did not give the make ready command before the shooter drew his gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 you shouldn't of got a dq, Yes he should have. As much as we all so far seem to think the RO screwed up, the simple truth is he did not give the make ready command before the shooter drew his gun. Exactly. As much of a harda$$ opinion as it may seem, it's the shooter's responsibility to be sure "Make Ready" was said, unless he feels like going home early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleL Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I can fully agree Sarge. He broke a rule. He gets the consequence. I in no way meant he shouldn't have got it. But what a bonehead move by the RO, right? Realistically, with a shooter about to go hot on the line, what could an RO possibly have to say besides stop or Make Ready? Sort of what I meant in my earlier post, if it were me, I wouldn't be upset at all if the RO turned to enforce safety. Now if he was blabbing some bullcrap with a buddy, I'd be a little miffed. Wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 you shouldn't of got a dq, Yes he should have. As much as we all so far seem to think the RO screwed up, the simple truth is he did not give the make ready command before the shooter drew his gun. Exactly. As much of a harda$$ opinion as it may seem, it's the shooter's responsibility to be sure "Make Ready" was said, unless he feels like going home early. The first commands out of the RO's mouth if the shooter is standing in the start position and all is safe to start is "Make Ready". It is the shooters responsibility to listen to commands but its also the RO's responsibility to issue range commands in the proper order Rule 8.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 you shouldn't of got a dq, Yes he should have. As much as we all so far seem to think the RO screwed up, the simple truth is he did not give the make ready command before the shooter drew his gun. Exactly. As much of a harda$$ opinion as it may seem, it's the shooter's responsibility to be sure "Make Ready" was said, unless he feels like going home early. The first commands out of the RO's mouth if the shooter is standing in the start position and all is safe to start is "Make Ready". It is the shooters responsibility to listen to commands but its also the RO's responsibility to issue range commands in the proper order Rule 8.3 This is starting to sound vaguely familiar... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154312&hl=make%20ready&st=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEH Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 EVERY time I went to the line in the future and he was the RO I would ask for another RO..... Well within your rights and it would get the point across for sure. Is there any rule that lets one legally ask for a new RO-??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 EVERY time I went to the line in the future and he was the RO I would ask for another RO..... Well within your rights and it would get the point across for sure. Is there any rule that lets one legally ask for a new RO-??? Not that I know of. Probably more of an unwritten rule. But it seems perfectly legit to ask for a different RO. I can think of a number of off the wall reasons that would be valid. To be honest an RO should be able to ask to be replaced for a particular shooter as well. As an example what if there were bad blood between two guys for whatever reason. I can see either one of them asking for an RO switch. Pretty sure I recall a shooter wanting a different RO who was not a teammate on a sponsored team so nobody could make an issue out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 EVERY time I went to the line in the future and he was the RO I would ask for another RO..... Well within your rights and it would get the point across for sure. Is there any rule that lets one legally ask for a new RO-??? Legally ? I have no idea but for me, it would go something like this: " Give the timer to someone else. I don't want you as my RO." I paid my match fee. I'm the customer. And the customer is always right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOA Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 I completely accept the fact that I drew without the make ready command should have been DQed, but the RO. had cleared the range called me to the start position, took his position immediately to my right and said something, while looking at me. it did not end well and I let him know my displeasure with his actions. So I think we will mutually agree not to RO each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 You think!! :roflol: My question is did he at all feel bad about issuing the DQ? If not he needs to put the timer down and go back to school. The DQ never should have happened. His screw up became your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cy Soto Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 EVERY time I went to the line in the future and he was the RO I would ask for another RO..... That seems quite vindictive. The OP assumed that what the RO had said was "Make Ready" and was DQ'd by his own actions; plain and simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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