mfaith Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) If you fumble a reload during a stage and the mag hits the ground, is it out of play or can it be retrieved and used? Edited June 28, 2012 by mfaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can always use them anytime: 5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or dis-carded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, howev-er, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can always use them anytime: 5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or dis-carded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, howev-er, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. In other words keep your finger out of the trigger guard and muzzle pointed safely down range. I've seen one shooter have an accidental discharge while trying to pick up a dropped mag. What was really bad is that he still had one on his belt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I've been meaning to recheck this. I am quite sure that during a CRO course I audited, it was stated that you could not pickup a mag if you had one left on your belt. But I don't recall this being in the rules anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) I've been meaning to recheck this. I am quite sure that during a CRO course I audited, it was stated that you could not pickup a mag if you had one left on your belt. But I don't recall this being in the rules anywhere. I'll have to find a copy of the green rule book to be sure, but what I recall from the RO class at the time we were using the green book was that the shooter had to exhaust their mag pouches before they could go for mags in pockets or elsewhere (including presumably the ground). The requirement for exhausting the pouches went away with the blue book. (A GM also found a loophole in the green rule book that supposedly allowed for staging mags around a CoF.) Edited June 28, 2012 by Skydiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 LOL! Shot a cof earlier this year that I was determined to do with just one mag. I was so focused on that that, when I accidentally hit the mag release and dropped the mag, I wasted precious seconds picking it up rather than go for the mags on my belt. All that existed for me then was me, the gun and that one mag.... What a maroon I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) LOL! Shot a cof earlier this year that I was determined to do with just one mag. I was so focused on that that, when I accidentally hit the mag release and dropped the mag, I wasted precious seconds picking it up rather than go for the mags on my belt. All that existed for me then was me, the gun and that one mag.... What a maroon I was. There are many members in that maroon club. Edited June 28, 2012 by lcs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEN-4-35 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can always use them anytime: 5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or dis-carded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, howev-er, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. This is why no one (scoring RO) or anybody else should pick up discarded mags on the COF until after range is clear...If a competitor goes back to get a discarded mag and its not there....reshoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can always use them anytime: 5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or dis-carded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, howev-er, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. This is why no one (scoring RO) or anybody else should pick up discarded mags on the COF until after range is clear...If a competitor goes back to get a discarded mag and its not there....reshoot! Yup, I've seen several ROs/other shooters pick up the competitors mags early. They are just trying to help but that competitor might want to come back for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 There are many members in that maroon club. <standing and holding hand up in air> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 But what happens if you're shooting Production or Single Stack and the magazine lands on the ground in front of the points of your hip. Do you have to run in front of it and reach behind the hipbone to get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 But what happens if you're shooting Production or Single Stack and the magazine lands on the ground in front of the points of your hip. Do you have to run in front of it and reach behind the hipbone to get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 But what happens if you're shooting Production or Single Stack and the magazine lands on the ground in front of the points of your hip. Do you have to run in front of it and reach behind the hipbone to get it? Actually, I think you are already in open if it falls in front of your hip since it is during the course of fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinSC Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 You can always use them anytime: 5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or dis-carded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, howev-er, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. This is why no one (scoring RO) or anybody else should pick up discarded mags on the COF until after range is clear...If a competitor goes back to get a discarded mag and its not there....reshoot! Yup, I've seen several ROs/other shooters pick up the competitors mags early. They are just trying to help but that competitor might want to come back for it! Only thing worse is when you are the RO and you see that guy picking up the mag out of your peripheral vision because they are so close to you. Trying to keep your eye on the shooter/gun and trying shoo the other guy back is always a treat. God forbid the shooter runs out of mags at that very moment, the ensuing dog pile when he backtracks to pick up the mag will be disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sin-ster Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The worst is having lost the last full mag on your belt, looking back to find it, and seeing 5 of the suckers scattered across the ground behind you, all with a live round at the lips... I always tuck one in a (back) pocket if I'm going to need all 5 for a particularly mag change heavy stage after that day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The worst is having lost the last full mag on your belt, looking back to find it, and seeing 5 of the suckers scattered across the ground behind you, all with a live round at the lips... I always tuck one in a (back) pocket if I'm going to need all 5 for a particularly mag change heavy stage after that day... Drop that many and I'd be looking at new mag holders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retread1911 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 There are many members in that maroon club. <standing and holding hand up in air> Quietly raising my hand hoping no one notices. :grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sin-ster Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The worst is having lost the last full mag on your belt, looking back to find it, and seeing 5 of the suckers scattered across the ground behind you, all with a live round at the lips... I always tuck one in a (back) pocket if I'm going to need all 5 for a particularly mag change heavy stage after that day... Drop that many and I'd be looking at new mag holders! Only one was full-- the rest were all part of the stage breakdown! The trick is figuring out which one you need to go back for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 How many total in the club? Maroon 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5-O Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 But what happens if you're shooting Production or Single Stack and the magazine lands on the ground in front of the points of your hip. Do you have to run in front of it and reach behind the hipbone to get it? this will probably be the next thread on rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 But what happens if you're shooting Production or Single Stack and the magazine lands on the ground in front of the points of your hip. Do you have to run in front of it and reach behind the hipbone to get it? this will probably be the next thread on rules Only if the mag pouch or magnet attached to it went down with it. Give them a good kick to separate them and you are good to go again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfaith Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 Thanks You can always use them anytime: 5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or dis-carded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, howev-er, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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