Chuck D Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 This problem has plagued me on and off for the past 15 years...( I'm a slow learner I guess). On close targets, I will earn an "A" then I tend to shoot a "mike" on the follow-up shot. From what I've been told (and from what I can see myself in practice), the "mike" is high and usually over the right shoulder of the target (as your facing the target). I always thought that the problem was caused by my not letting the gun settle back down on the target completely but when it happened to me today...I could have sworn that I let it settle back down. Has anyone else experienced this? How have you "fixed" it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Is the target by itself or part of an array or the last target in an array? It could be that you're already looking for the next target or where to move to when you fire the 2nd shot. Meaning, that maybe you're pulling/transitioning the gun off of the target while you're pulling the trigger. To find out what is happening, I would either have someone very observant watch you, or better yet, have someone video tape you, then you can go back and watch and figure out what is causing the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Chuck D, Clearly you aren't seeing a dang thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Did anybody mention "Visual Patience"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 My problem was similar, though it was mostly 1 A, 1 B, or 2 A, one of them the hard way. Visual patience is the key, see the sight back on the target before you press the trigger again... it doesn't have to be in the notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Now, seriously, I can see it happen (sometimes) to my teammates (I'm not able to see myself shooting): shooter is almost pulling the trigger for the second shot on target (usually on the last target of an array, before moving) and I get the clear view of the gun muzzle pointed somewhere towards the target and the shooter's head completely turned to a different direction (most probably the one he'll be heading to leave the array for the next one). Once or twice I caught myself in doing this while shooting a support target between the activator and a moving target: I shoot the support while looking at the moving target to catch it in right time, and the hits on the support (if any) suffer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Cutter Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 much like in golf, your head might not be steady or you were looking up away from the ball (frontsight) while making the shot, leading to a not so perfect hit. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Sounds like a double tap to me. 2 shots, 1 sight picture. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I see it all the time. Usually on close targets or the last shot before a reload or leaving a position. I think it is because your brain is faster than your reactions. You saw what you needed to see, but by the time you reacted your eyes/brain has already left the target and heading somewhere else. Follow through is the key.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Sounds like a double tap to me.2 shots, 1 sight picture. Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Sounds like a double tap to me.2 shots, 1 sight picture. Me too! You too double tap, or you too think it's a double tap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 You too double tap, or you too think it's a double tap? Me too thinks it was a case of double tapitis, aka hammeritis. I've spent the last year trying to teach myself to look at my sights on every shot! It's not helping much, but I don't try to double tap anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmitz Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Sounds like a double tap to me.2 shots, 1 sight picture. SA When I read the initial post...double tap bambam instead of bam..bam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 It really wasn't. Here's the details. Start behind a barricade. Three targets shoulder to shoulder with a no-shoot thrown in that barely covered the lower portion of the "C" zone on the center target. The target I dropped the shot on was the first target I engaged from the holster. The array sounded like this.... Beep....bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Not blamblam.......blamblam......blamblam. Guys in my squad said the first shot out of the holster was the Alpha...the second was the "mike" over the RH side shoulder area of the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Sounds like no visual patience...you are moving on to the next target before you are done shooting the first. Your not stopping the gun in the A-zone (or on brown, for that matter). That comes from trying to go fast (a losing strategy). Shoot the Alpha...let your speed be what it is. This is classic sports behavior...moving on to the next task, before completing the current task. Like in baseball...not watching the ball. Or, football...when a reciever turns up field to run, but hasn't completed catching the football yet. Your focus is on the wrong aspect of the game. Your vision should tell you that. The fact that it doesn't, that should be a giant red-flag telling you that you aren't seeing what you need to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted July 19, 2004 Author Share Posted July 19, 2004 Flexmoney, I'm certain your right. Time to slow down a bit. Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Yea, everyone pretty much called you on that one Chuck. (Done it a million times myself.) That's what cadence shooting will do fer ya. Has anyone else experienced this? How have you "fixed" it? Consciously, visually, drive the sights back for the second (and every) shot. Always, always, always. Never take anything for granted. Let the gun tell you when to shoot. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Chuck, I did not see where the shot went, but if you started on the left target, missing right sounds like you were looking for the next target before finishing the 2nd shot. I believe my miss on that stage was the same thing. Slowing down is not the answer. You rushed one shot, don't change everything you do. Work on not rushing. Trust your "sights". Trust your self. You know how to make the shots. Let yourself do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 Thanks everyone ! Congrats Wide45 on winning Limited Division ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Blind Squirrel Theory. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 This maybe the same thing just some different verbiage. Lift and Return. If I watch a complete cycle of the gun, which is a lift and return of every shot I'm OK. Even on the transitions I get a return before going to the next target. Being neutral I can call the shots on the return better than I can off the lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I fired thirteen eight-round magazines at a turtle target today. All I did was concentrate on watching the front sight and pressing the trigger as soon as it was over the A zone again. It worked pretty well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Calling the shot on the "lift", enables you to "return" to the next target. Time saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I've got the same problem ... I'm moving/transitioning to the next target even before I've followed through on the shot... I'm was really surprised and PO'd at it as I'd seen the dot on the A zone... my team mates saw it though and was able to point out what I'd done wrong... it normally happens on the last target of an array so what i'll be doing now will be to slow down on the last target and make sure I call the last shot... Rgds, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reneet Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 This plagued me at the TX Limited last weekend. 6 mikes & 3 no shoots over 10 stages. 3 of the mikes were mike / no shoot. OUCH!!! Glad it happened 2 weeks before nationals so I can think about it and work on it before I leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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