Rosshooting Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Can I use CR Speed Holster in IPSC production division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 According to the Production Divison rules for holsters at http://www.ipsc.org/divlist.htm 19. The holster and all other equipment (i.e. magazines and other loading devices), must be worn behind the hip bone (i.e. the “anterior superior spina iliaca” or the most forward point of the pelvic girdle), Initially, where a competitor’s equipment is not in compliance, they will be required to adjust the equipment. Failure to do so or repeated failure to comply will result in the application of Rule 6.2.6. And the position of the holster has to comply with Appendix F3, on page 53 of http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf From my reading of the IPSC rules, there isn't a blanket prohibition on "race" holsters, it just says where the holster must be positioned. I'm sure Vince can provide more clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Yes, it's legal, just needs to be positioned according to the Division requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalker Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 I use a CR-Speed holster in IPSC Production division. I also use the mag pouches - the new adjustable type. Great products. Regards Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 David, There's nothing for me to add - your answer is 100% perfect. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Oh, my. Vince and I agree on something. Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? Oh wait, my mistake, that's Geek and Ivan agreeing on something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 I assume that this is a change from the 14th editioon of the rules? In the appendix there, there is a specific line that staes that the use of "Race Holsters" is disallowed. This question came up at the USPSA Area 8 Match this weekend. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 There was no change. IPSC Production Division has never had restrictions on the type of holster, only on the placement thereof. You're thinking of USPSA PD, which applies to the Area 8 match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Then the rule is there, but not applicable everywhere. I for one would like to see the restriction on holsters remain in effect here in the US. Until the 10 round limitation on new mags is lifted and the state laws are supersceded that should remain and the carry type "Practical" holster should be retained even then. Otherwise, production starts to look very much like Limited Light. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 Jim, Don't get your shorts in a bunch. There are USPSA rules and there are IPSC rules. Nobody is talking about changing a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Jim, IPSC has and apparently will continue to allow race holsters in the production under the 14th edition rules (the red rulebook you just officiated under) in the IPSC Division Appendices. The US has and will continue to prohibit race holsters in Production.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I realize the difference between IPSC and USPSA. Sort of surprising that Race holsters are allowed considering how un"Practical" they are. I would have thought that the RUles committee would have disallowed them from a division that was supposed to be about "Entry level" and "Shoot-What -You-Already own" My opinion is that USPSA definately got this one right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I disagree with you Jim, and yet I use a Langdon Tactical holster in IPSC Production, instead of a CR, and don't really notice much of a difference in draw times. Having said that though, I also know of people using CR rigs for Open Carry in the US, and at least two people using Ghost rigs for CCW (have no idea why). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I would have thought that the RUles committee would have disallowed them from a division that was supposed to be about "Entry level" and "Shoot-What -You-Already own". Don't believe Urban Legends you read on the unofficial IPSC Digest (a.k.a. Mr. Burnett's Neighbourhood) IPSC Production Division was, first and foremost, created to cater for "non-SAO guns", but we also predicted that a huge chunk of Production Division would be people crossing over from Standard Division, where DAO guns are just not competitve, and that has indeed proven to be the case. "Entry Level" is another misnomer. Sure, getting equipped for IPSC PD is certainly cheaper than for, say, Open Division, but on my side of the Big Pond, starry-eyed kids (this means people 35 or under), wouldn't touch a Glock or Beretta with a barge pole. They see the Big Boys going 100 mph with a race gun, and that's where they want to play too. And "Bring What Ya Got" is yet another fairytale, if all I've got is my old man's Colt 1911 single-stack in 45ACP. The defense rests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Don't believe Urban Legends you read on the unofficial IPSC Digest (a.k.a. Mr. Burnett's Neighbourhood) ROTFL! Maybe I'm just tired, but you owe me $5, American. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Vinnnie...don't rest to long. Somebody might remember the first-and-foremost reason that Production was formed the next time you post a blurb about the cost of a Glock trigger job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 L-10 and Production, whatever else they may do, here in the US with USPSA allow you to Shoot-what-you-own as opposed to springing for High priced standard capacity mags and expensive race holsters and guns Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I think the original question has been asked and answered. I had better cut this thread off before we drift too far (which it looks like we might...no thanks to me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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