benos Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 All the below topics came as the result of a single, brief experience. Which I cannot explain.Man's Greatest Weapon:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106828The Pause Principle:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106299Attention and Error Games:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105199Respond Immediately:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105923Obscuring the Present:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105920Nothing is Difficult, If:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105854Freedom and Attention:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=115098The Enemy of Perfection:http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=150855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothguy Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) Brian, when you are visualizing where do you direct your attention? Are you playing a past recording obscuring the present or is it like a dream where you are in control of what you want to happen? My draw speed improves when I distract myself by directing attention to my weak hand. It's like the conscious mind is a guard dog that you need to distract with a mental tennis ball so you can get past it. http://www.brianenos...if#entry1204530 When I first started shooting at 50 yards I remember thinking how hard it is, it's so far away. I said something to Toolguy about it and he said let's go shoot Silhouette. We shot Field Pistol and started at 25 and ended up shooting at 100 yrds. After that the targets didn't seem easy or difficult, near or far, just larger or smaller. I googled "subconscious, and the words on wikipedia pretty much summed up how I feel about the use of the word subconscious. I like Brian's Wikipedia reference and especially the snippet from it "references to the 'subconscious' as an agency may credit it with various abilities and powers that exceed those possessed by consciousness: the 'subconscious' may apparently remember, perceive and determine things beyond the reach or control of the conscious mind." I think the concept of the subconscious being a separate "agent" from the conscious is very useful in all sports but really in IPSC. Assign some tasks to the conscious agent and offload as much to the subconscious as possible. The subconscious is much faster in all sports than the conscious. That's why if you are good enough at any sports skill, you can do it faster if you don't "think" about it (read, use the slower conscious mind). It's tricky concept to train separate "agent" that you cannot directly communicate with but Brian's concept of "attention" is one of best ways I know to tame the beast. Also pictures and visualizing seem to indirectly communicate with this agent as well. Another concept that ties well into this is that the subconscious agent can be "hijacked" by other stuff like emotions, match stress, weather, difficult memory stages, physical condition, diet and a zillion other factors. To a certain degree the "user" or conscious mind can resist these subconscious "hijackers" by force of will (will power) which is paradoxically a conscious effort (or is it really only conscious?) Edited December 16, 2012 by toothguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Brian, when you are visualizing where do you direct your attention? Visualizing, in preparation for what, specifically? Often, I'd visualize just exactly what I want to happen, withing thinking about any part of my body. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothguy Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Brian, when you are visualizing where do you direct your attention? Visualizing, in preparation for what, specifically? Often, I'd visualize just exactly what I want to happen, withing thinking about any part of my body. be Appendix B: Revolver shooting, Thoughts on Bianchi. You have a separate focus for the four sections of the match. The focus descriptions that you write about are visual "it's just a total observation process". I'm comparing that to "The Set" where it's a feeling that you are reproducing. It seems that when I try to visualize my attention goes to the feel more so than the visual. It almost seems that if I get the feel right everything else will fall into place. I guess my question is are you seeing what you want to happen or are you feeling what you want to happen and the visual is a part of that feeling? Edited December 19, 2012 by toothguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 It seems that when I try to visualize my attention goes to the feel more so than the visual. It almost seems that if I get the feel right everything else will fall into place.I guess my question is are you seeing what you want to happen or are you feeling what you want to happen and the visual is a part of that feeling? Yes - that's it. It's a total body feeling though, as opposed to being focused on any specific part of the body. When Practical Shooting, Beyond Fundamentals was published, I had not formulated "The Set" topic at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothguy Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 "The Set" is my favorite post, because personally I need to translate the words of what I'm suppose to do into a feel. I have always learned better watching then doing to try to establish a feel. When I first read your book I had no experience to relate to. I understood the words but they don't have the same meaning as they do now. From your book: "I look at the very center of the target. My eye is aware of the dot's relationship to the center of the target and is trying to keep the dot there--steering the dot. I'm visually aware of the dot's relationship to the target and I'm also mentally aware of the way my finger is pulling the trigger to influence wherever the dot is. I'm not actually focused on the trigger control or on the dot; I'm focused on the relationship between the trigger pull and the placement of the dot---it's just a total observation process." I remember reading that over and over trying to understand it. but now when I read it, I can feel it. Maybe it's time to read the book again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sam Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 "The Set" is my favorite post, because personally I need to translate the words of what I'm suppose to do into a feel. +1 !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubguy Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Can someone provide the link to where "The set" is talked about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 Here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBeez Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Great info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberTwo Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 My biggest screw ups always come from not reading the stage instructions. Dumb I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 10 hours ago, NumberTwo said: My biggest screw ups always come from not reading the stage instructions. = Lot of my biggest screw ups is from the MD NOT providing written stage instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonefishing Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I would enjoy reading these. I have attempted to search for them and no luck. Any chance the words behind these links are still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonefishing Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/13/2023 at 10:04 PM, shred said: I updated the links here, but if you find others, when you're on the 404 Fancy Meeting You Here page, edit the address to insert "forums." in front of brianenos.com so it says https://forums.brianenos.com/..... Delete the "www" if it's there, and put "forums" where it was and it should take you there. Thanks to shred. Man's Greatest Weapon: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106828 The Pause Principle: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106299 Attention and Error Games: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105199 Respond Immediately: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105923 Obscuring the Present: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105920 Nothing is Difficult, If: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=105854 Freedom and Attention: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=115098 The Enemy of Perfection: http://forums.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=150855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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