Ed Robinson Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I've been shooting bianchi for about 5 years, open class. Gun is a Para p14 frame, Springfield slide tritopped and lightening cuts, Wilson 38 super barrel with unknown 2 port comp, Caspian shroud with Aimpoint comp scope. I've been shooting 4.8gr WW231 under Missouri's 125gr .356 TC cast bullet. I know, I know, you can't shoot cast in a comp barrel. Well I do and it's accurate as hell. I just have to clean my comp every 3 or 4 matches to get the led out. I do have a couple Thou Zero 125gr 38 super bullets I want to work up a load for. What are some of you shooting bullet and powder wise? Should I even be worried about working the comp? At the power factor we're shooting at, recoil is so soft anyway. Thanks in advance, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Ed, Try 4.6-4.8 gr of WST. The best bullets for the money and accuracy right now seem to be the Zero stock #135 which is a 125 gr HP. One poster on here (Action Pistolero) posted a pic of a 6-shot 50 yd group with that bullet that you could cover with a nickel! That's the new bullet they came up with in answer to the Hornady HAP. That load works fine behind most any 115-125 gr bullets that we've tried so far. It makes for a nice soft-shooting load and is accurate as can be. You might try some different OALs too. The best accuracy with our guns seems to be around 1.215-1.240 instead of the recommended 1.250 from the books. Usually the shorter the better. Believe it or not, that comp is working, even with our light loads. You'd be amazed at how much muzzle jump you'd get without it! Alan~^~ Edited March 12, 2012 by Alan550 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Try 4.6 of WST with the Zero 125gr. OAL should be about 1.230. WST is reverse temp sensitive so the shorter the round the less sensitive it gets. When testing the load for groups, shoot 200 rounds. The Zero's like a fouled barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I've been shooting bianchi for about 5 years, open class. Gun is a Para p14 frame, Springfield slide tritopped and lightening cuts, Wilson 38 super barrel with unknown 2 port comp, Caspian shroud with Aimpoint comp scope. I've been shooting 4.8gr WW231 under Missouri's 125gr .356 TC cast bullet. I know, I know, you can't shoot cast in a comp barrel. Well I do and it's accurate as hell. I just have to clean my comp every 3 or 4 matches to get the led out. I do have a couple Thou Zero 125gr 38 super bullets I want to work up a load for. What are some of you shooting bullet and powder wise? Should I even be worried about working the comp? At the power factor we're shooting at, recoil is so soft anyway. Thanks in advance, Ed SVI Frame STI slide Nowlin Barrel cut to 5.5" 3 port comp..... lots of 122grain Truncated Cone led boolits with 4.7gns W231 - loaded to 1.210" with a light taper crimp. I love 'em. To keep the comp clean I just give the ports a few drops of Dillon case lube - the lanolin slows the led build-up to almost nothing. 4.8 gns of W231 and a Zero 125gn hp or Hornady HAP loaded the same way shoots pretty good, but not good enough to stop me from using the cast product for practice and the odd match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmbeckwith Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 My load from Zero is using Power Pistol and believe it or not around a 140 PF. This is a load that Fred Stallings worked up and it shoots. With the comp. control is not a problem. I know that sound hot, but it shoots well out of my Gilmore guns. I am using the 125 JHP Zero HAP also in a 38 supter. I have been playing with VVN 320 4.6 gr loaded to a length of 1.214. Haven't had enough good weather to test for accuracy, but the chrono stat are: Extreme spread was 46, Average vel. was 1140, Power factor 142.6 and Standard Deviation was 10. Tried 4.3 also: ES 89, Ave. Vel. 1093, PF 136.7 SD 24. All this doesn't predict accuracy but consistancy. So if it groups all is good. Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 My load from Zero is using Power Pistol and believe it or not around a 140 PF..snip Kim Kim - is that with a 125 or 115gr bullet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Robinson Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 I've got a bit of WST I'll load up and see how it shoots with the zeros. Also bought some Autocomp a while back. Haven't even opened the can yet. I know some folks using it in 9 minor loads. Anybody tried it in their Bianchi gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I tried Autocomp when it first came out. I didn't like it. As the name implies, it was developed to make the comp work. It is real snappy. I can't remember the load but I started out below the listed starting load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmbeckwith Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 125 JHP Zero HAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 125 JHP Zero HAP Can they legitimately call it the HAP? Hornady Action Point? That's a Hornady trademark isn't it? How about Zero JHP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmbeckwith Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We are not calling it that, it is just to explain that it is simular to the HAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan550 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 We are not calling it that, it is just to explain that it is simular to the HAP Point taken. They do look the same......almost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Robinson Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 Powder valleys got the 121 in stock but not the 125gr. Anybody use them? I've got abt 1600 of the 125s but was gonna order more while I got the money Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I used the 121JHP's last year. They worked well in 9mm for my gun. I'm using 115's this year. The old style JHP for practice, and the new style JHP-C (Hap look alike) for big matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Robinson Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Are y'all shooting the new #136 9mm bullet that looks like the HAP or the old 125 gr JHP (#161) .356? I thought the #136 was a .355 bullet. My barrel slugs .3555 and it likes a .356 bullet. I've tried 355 Montana's and they pattern, not group , like buckshot in my 38 super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Okay. Let's stick to the product numbers to keep things straight. Since the #136 125 gr shows to be a 9mm bullet I think you are right. It would be a .355. #161 is the 125 gr 38 Super which is .356. I found them at Shooters Connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Okay. Let's stick to the product numbers to keep things straight. Since the #136 125 gr shows to be a 9mm bullet I think you are right. It would be a .355. #161 is the 125 gr 38 Super which is .356. I found them at Shooters Connection. I've seen them.....they do exist..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Are y'all shooting the new #136 9mm bullet that looks like the HAP or the old 125 gr JHP (#161) .356? I thought the #136 was a .355 bullet. My barrel slugs .3555 and it likes a .356 bullet. I've tried 355 Montana's and they pattern, not group , like buckshot in my 38 super. Mine used to shoot .356's better, until I shot the new HAP Style 115gr .355 (sorry, don't know the #). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Are y'all shooting the new #136 9mm bullet that looks like the HAP or the old 125 gr JHP (#161) .356? I thought the #136 was a .355 bullet. My barrel slugs .3555 and it likes a .356 bullet. I've tried 355 Montana's and they pattern, not group , like buckshot in my 38 super. Mine used to shoot .356's better, until I shot the new HAP Style 115gr .355 (sorry, don't know the #). 135 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Well to save problems in my shop. The new one is called Conical JHP the old one Round Nose JHP. Screw the numbers it makes my head hurt when I am trying to explain it over the phone to someone who has never seen them. Anyways back to the original question. 4.5gr TG, 1.225" OAL = 1160fps in my 6". Accuracy was embarrassingly good. Which means I still managed to miss a plate and shoot a 5 on mover last weekend. DOH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Desk Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 4.5gr TG, 1.225" OAL = 1160fps in my 6". Accuracy was embarrassingly good. Which means I still managed to miss a plate and shoot a 5 on mover last weekend. DOH! Is that why they call them the shakey isles ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Accuracy was embarrassingly good. Which means I still managed to miss a plate and shoot a 5 on mover last weekend. DOH! Is that why they call them the shakey isles ? i'm not sure the isles where shaking so much as the hands holding the gun. if you need a lesson on shooting a clean mover, come see me. Edited March 15, 2012 by wanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Robinson Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 Damn I'm more confused on these bullets now than before. I have about 1400 of the #160, 125gr JHP's which are .356 Shooters Connection has the #135, 115gr HAP style, .355 AND The # 136, 125gr HAP style ..355 AND # 161, 125 gr JHP .356 bullet! I wish I could get 50 of each and see which worked best for me. Anybody willing to sell me 50 of whatever you shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmbeckwith Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Hey Kevin, he is closer to you than me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Pistolero Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Damn I'm more confused on these bullets now than before. I have about 1400 of the #160, 125gr JHP's which are .356 Shooters Connection has the #135, 115gr HAP style, .355 AND The # 136, 125gr HAP style ..355 AND # 161, 125 gr JHP .356 bullet! I wish I could get 50 of each and see which worked best for me. Anybody willing to sell me 50 of whatever you shoot? Ed, According to the Zero website the #160 is a 121 gr JHP not 125. I tried the 121 HAP years ago and never had any luck with it. That doesn't mean they won't work for you. The only bullets that I have are the #135 and the #161. If you want 50 of each send me a PM with your address. I just buzzed through you state today. Thanks Kim. We may have handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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