Jesse Tischauser Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 After going through the early hurry up and register season I am still amazed that just about every match has a different means of registration. So since I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer I figured I'd ask the smart cats what their take is. What's your current favorite and what do you think could make that even better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 After going through the early hurry up and register season I am still amazed that just about every match has a different means of registration. So since I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer I figured I'd ask the smart cats what their take is. What's your current favorite and what do you think could make that even better? Favorite would be online register and pay. But the matches I hope to attend are still print the application and mail. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I just signed up for Area 5 online. Paid by CC and got my squadding pin within a few hours. THAT is the way to go in my opinion. The one suggestion I would make to major match MD's is this. If there is a team that wants to have all team members on a squad they should talk with the MD and block that squad off. This happened with me and A5. I was going to squad up with a few guys that I know but one of them pointed out that they were trying to keep it all(insert team name here). Anyway, online works well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I just signed up for Area 5 online. Paid by CC and got my squadding pin within a few hours. THAT is the way to go in my opinion. The one suggestion I would make to major match MD's is this. If there is a team that wants to have all team members on a squad they should talk with the MD and block that squad off. This happened with me and A5. I was going to squad up with a few guys that I know but one of them pointed out that they were trying to keep it all(insert team name here). Anyway, online works well. I think we can all agree online is easier for everyone with a computer but with these popular major 3 gun matches that fill up instantly there seem to be issues for the less computer savy amongst us. Speaking of Teams wanting to block off a squad for themselves why should they get preference? What if everyone did that? Should sponsors gets slots for shooters? Edited March 10, 2012 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I just signed up for Area 5 online. Paid by CC and got my squadding pin within a few hours. THAT is the way to go in my opinion. The one suggestion I would make to major match MD's is this. If there is a team that wants to have all team members on a squad they should talk with the MD and block that squad off. This happened with me and A5. I was going to squad up with a few guys that I know but one of them pointed out that they were trying to keep it all(insert team name here). Anyway, online works well. I think we can all agree online is easier for everyone with a computer but with these popular major 3 gun matches that full up instantly there seem to be issues for the less computer savy amongst us. True. What about invites or pre registration to those who have shot the match in question like say the last two years. Kind of a customer loyalty program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 I just signed up for Area 5 online. Paid by CC and got my squadding pin within a few hours. THAT is the way to go in my opinion. The one suggestion I would make to major match MD's is this. If there is a team that wants to have all team members on a squad they should talk with the MD and block that squad off. This happened with me and A5. I was going to squad up with a few guys that I know but one of them pointed out that they were trying to keep it all(insert team name here). Anyway, online works well. I think we can all agree online is easier for everyone with a computer but with these popular major 3 gun matches that full up instantly there seem to be issues for the less computer savy amongst us. True. What about invites or pre registration to those who have shot the match in question like say the last two years. Kind of a customer loyalty program? From my perspective I like the idea. Much like Rocky Mountain does. It gives the veteran shooters a much more laid back pace on registration. But that is only because I am now going into my 2nd full season of Shooting the majors. But is that what we really want to promote? The sport is growing fast right now and this system doesn't promote new shooters getting into matches as easily. If I was a sponsor I may want the new shooters that have the potential to but my products getting into the matches moreso than the shooters that already have all their guns and gear purchased? This is where the duel match format of the ProAm shines. Unfortunately as we all experienced that match is so popular already that both the new and veteran Shootets aren't all able to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I think what ever is used the #1 thing is that "Its easy for the host" as in we get invited to a party and not tell the host what to have available for parking. My Idea that match Host may like is for shoots at sign in or at the prize table allow the shooters to sign up for the next year with a sign up sheet and a % deposit ...like 50% of the fee most all of us would decide rite at the sign up table to sing up for next years Rock Mountain. If I WE-don't put my our $$$ ware the voice is thin we louse all rites to complain about how the sign up system for the next year is. I bet JJ And Denise , Andy would be happy to have part of the next years operating fund and shooters projection in the bank for the next year. And for Sponsor / Marketing promotion = how good would that be to say that the next year is 50% booked and banked. All of us are short on cash at the end of the events, But are we $100 short ? I have a short list of not to miss events If Denise would let me I would send her a check rite now for $500 to guarantee a slot in the next five Rock Mountain events Ask not what the Match host can do for us but what can we do to make the match hosting less stressful But thats just one way to look at it. on line or in the mail its all good. Allthough I do not miss the 0.30 second rush at FB screem in, aka sign up Edited March 10, 2012 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The registration at the first Nationals at USSA was an amazingly fast process. All the other Nationals were staffed by well-meaning people but was poorly designed and organized. Applications should be both on-line and paper. This was would help immensely. Area 2, IMO, runs the best large match in the country, from match setup, range officers, registration and especially prize table management. The High Desert Classic uses Palm scoring which is a great time saver. Too bad USPSA does not use it again. On line squadding is a nice feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 I think what ever is used the #1 thing is that "Its easy for the host" as in we get invited to a party and not tell the host what to have available for parking. My Idea that match Host may like is for shoots at sign in or at the prize table allow the shooters to sign up for the next year with a sign up sheet and a % deposit ...like 50% of the fee most all of us would decide rite at the sign up table to sing up for next years Rock Mountain. If I WE-don't put my our $$$ ware the voice is thin we louse all rites to complain about how the sign up system for the next year is. I bet JJ And Denise , Andy would be happy to have part of the next years operating fund and shooters projection in the bank for the next year. And for Sponsor / Marketing promotion = how good would that be to say that the next year is 50% booked and banked. All of us are short on cash at the end of the events, But are we $100 short ? I have a short list of not to miss events If Denise would let me I would send her a check rite now for $500 to guarantee a slot in the next five Rock Mountain events Ask not what the Match host can do for us but what can we do to make the match hosting less stressful But thats just one way to look at it. on line or in the mail its all good. Allthough I do not miss the 0.30 second rush at FB screem in, aka sign up This is a very good idea! I bet they would fill that day. That money in the bank would be great! Denise and JJ could buy themselves a much needed vacation rather than putting back $ for match expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Speaking of Teams wanting to block off a squad for themselves why should they get preference? If they want to block off a squad just for their team, require an up front payment for the entire squad. If its a 10 shooter squad, have the team captain either submit the funds for all 10 then he/she collect from the team members. But I'm not sure I would want to be the lone shooter that is not "in" the group. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springy Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Talking about last year, does anyone know of a match that had shooters on a "wait list", that did NOT get to shoot the match? Is it possible that there were no matches that turned away shooters? If that happens to be true, then all this "fuss" is for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) If that happens to be true, then all this "fuss" is for nothing. What fuss are you referring to? The question I posed is how do you best register shooters for a match not how do you get 500 shooters in a 300 shooter match. A friend of mine is working on some online registration stuff for both major and local matches. I simply want to know what folks like and don't like so we can take the path of least resistance. Is it possible that there were no matches that turned away shooters? That is not possible. Correct me if I am wrong MD's but Rocky Mountain and ProAm were full almost instantly. 2012 NW Multigun is currently full. Edited March 10, 2012 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Jesse - have you seen the online registration that I have been working on? Accepts PayPal - can print out score sheets - can add sponsor logos to the sign up process - print out register confirmations - limits registration to certain number of shooters. Its a damn slick process that I about have perfected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benelli Chick Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Talking about last year, does anyone know of a match that had shooters on a "wait list", that did NOT get to shoot the match? Is it possible that there were no matches that turned away shooters? If that happens to be true, then all this "fuss" is for nothing. Rocky Mountain had almost 40 people still on the waitlist that did not make it in! A few of them were offered a slot about two weeks out which was too late. I know that when DPMS was running, there were people that did not get in! Right now, with the popularity of 3-Gun, the waitlists are so hard! Great, fun people...can't get them in. Just don't have the time or capacity! Got a good number of newer shooters in so far this year...all newbies postmarked on the first day got into the match, but it's been slow going since! I like JF's idea, but then we might not get ANY new people in, and if EVERY ONE signed up, including those in the early shoot, we'd be overbooked by the last day of the match for next year!!! I think I do need a vacation though... Denise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38SuperDub Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I'm working on a match registration that would allow all the things most people want including sending out invites - limiting number of registrants - paypal accepted - etc etc. I need someone to help me test it out at a 3 gun match - I can even make custom printed score sheets. Here is an example - PM me if you wish to help http://www.boomershooter.com/forums/index.php?app=cp&do=show&pageId=6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) One thing about using credit cards is the additional fee involved for the match people, and then the shooters. I'm showing my age as I have no problem with the postmark system. That also spreads out the arrivals for the match organizers. Computer racing is okay, but, why should the system need you to keep sending the application? One and done should work, shouldn't it? And then you still send in a check by mail? What's the difference? There is no perfect system. Edited March 11, 2012 by Dan Sierpina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) If they want to block off a squad just for their team, require an up front payment for the entire squad. If its a 10 shooter squad, have the team captain either submit the funds for all 10 then he/she collect from the team members. But I'm not sure I would want to be the lone shooter that is not "in" the group. Bill That's how I see it as well. What if a newer guy than me comes along and does not recognize some of the names on a particular squad as being all from Team XXXX. then he gets two of his buds to sign up with him and then the team runs out of room. Does somebody get moved to a different squad? Maybe even on a different schedule? That's not right. And like you said, imagine the one poor guy in a tee shirt and jeans shooting his first big match with 10 guys in gaudy team shirts and the latest state of the art gear. Edited March 11, 2012 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Talking about last year, does anyone know of a match that had shooters on a "wait list", that did NOT get to shoot the match? Is it possible that there were no matches that turned away shooters? If that happens to be true, then all this "fuss" is for nothing. Rocky Mountain had almost 40 people still on the waitlist that did not make it in! A few of them were offered a slot about two weeks out which was too late. I know that when DPMS was running, there were people that did not get in! Right now, with the popularity of 3-Gun, the waitlists are so hard! Great, fun people...can't get them in. Just don't have the time or capacity! Got a good number of newer shooters in so far this year...all newbies postmarked on the first day got into the match, but it's been slow going since! I like JF's idea, but then we might not get ANY new people in, and if EVERY ONE signed up, including those in the early shoot, we'd be overbooked by the last day of the match for next year!!! I think I do need a vacation though... Denise I am allways on vacation ... Edited March 11, 2012 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 And like you said, imagine the one poor guy in a tee shirt and jeans shooting his first big match with 10 guys in gaudy team shirts and the latest state of the art gear. That could be a little intimidating or the new shooters dream match. I know when I got to shoot with BJ Norris and Jerry Miculek of Team S&W in my 2nd major match at Midwest 3 gun in 2010 I was more than excited to watch them shoot and ask for advice. I think I asked Jerry what magnification he was running on his scope on every stage. BJ was really helpful as well despite the fact that it was his first major 3 gun match. I have to agree with you in that I don't like the idea of non team shooters getting split up so the teams shooters can have a squad to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) And like you said, imagine the one poor guy in a tee shirt and jeans shooting his first big match with 10 guys in gaudy team shirts and the latest state of the art gear. That could be a little intimidating or the new shooters dream match. I know when I got to shoot with BJ Norris and Jerry Miculek of Team S&W in my 2nd major match at Midwest 3 gun in 2010 I was more than excited to watch them shoot and ask for advice. I think I asked Jerry what magnification he was running on his scope on every stage. BJ was really helpful as well despite the fact that it was his first major 3 gun match. I have to agree with you in that I don't like the idea of non team shooters getting split up so the teams shooters can have a squad to themselves. This probably deserves another topic thread, but what's everyone thoughts about removing the ability to pick squad mates and make it become random squading, with probably exception of lady and Junior shooters. There does seem to be a huge advantage to shooting with one group than others, specially when you see the results the top 10 shooters are usually also on the same squad. (aka super squad) I know everyone wants to shoot with their friends they haven't seen for a long. But that's what after the match days is for. Some Major Long Range precision matches are staring to this and its having a positive feedback. Edited March 11, 2012 by DocMedic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Doc, I love shooting, and love seeing friends. When I travel a couple thousand miles, I'd rather spend time with friends and shoot too. Not all of us are young, but, we love the shooting games, and the friends that have developed over the years and miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke8401 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Should sponsors gets slots for shooters? I almost posted about this in the sponsorship page the other day. I think this is already the case. Based on emails/posts for the last big on-line registration match I signed up for; sponsored shooters (where the sponsor pays the match fee) seem to have a different circuit to get into a match. I would also guess sponsors who contribute significantly to a match and have a group of shooters (not talking PRO sponsored shooters here) they want to shoot the match would have no problem getting them in. I am surprised, and glad, 3GN went purely by performance in the "PRO series". No fault of the person running it but online registration the past two years/matches I have done online might as well have been random draw as it didn’t really matter when you pushed the enter button and if you wanted to register by mail then you had no chance of getting in. I think the only “far” way is to have a lottery/random draw system, same as limited big game hunting permits. Just to get into a big match in the future you may need a "match fee paying" sponsor. David E. Edited March 11, 2012 by Nuke8401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) Should sponsors gets slots for shooters? I almost posted about this in the sponsorship page the other day. I think this is already the case. Based on emails/posts for the last big on-line registration match I signed up for; sponsored shooters (where the sponsor pays the match fee) seem to have a different circuit to get into a match. I would also guess sponsors who contribute significantly to a match and have a group of shooters (not talking PRO sponsored shooters here) they want to shoot the match would have no problem getting them in. I am surprised, and glad, 3GN went purely by performance in the "PRO series". No fault of the person running it but online registration the past two years/matches I have done online might as well have been random draw as it didn’t really matter when you pushed the enter button and if you wanted to register by mail then you had no chance of getting in. I think the only “far” way is to have a lottery/random draw system, same as limited big game hunting permits. Just to get into a big match in the future you may need a "match fee paying" sponsor. David E. It's not about Sponsors paying fees. Sponsors have to donate roughly $1500 in cash, gear, certificates, or guns they are rewarded with a nice Tax write off, advertising in the form of their stuff gets in the hands of shooters, and one free slot into the match. The 2nd and 3rd slots if even possible cost about double and triple that amount. Some of the major match Spondors at these Matches are giving over $10,000 in stuff for the prize tables. Edited March 11, 2012 by Jesse Tischauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 A lottery would be one way to turn me off for setting time aside for the next year. If an event went to a lottery I would put it last on my list of shoots to make. I cant make them all any way and I probably would not be missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 A lottery would be one way to turn me off for setting time aside for the next year. If an event went to a lottery I would put it last on my list of shoots to make. I cant make them all any way and I probably would not be missed How about a march madness selection show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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