West Texas Granny Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 Well I want to do an open gun. I have the CZ75 TS (9mm), a Sig X5-L1 (9mm) and a Glock 35 (40) to choose from. Which is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 More parts available to do the G35, and easier..... but I'd try the TS in 9mm. CZ Custom has built a few open guns on this platform, and they seem pretty cool. Lighten that pig up a bit (shorten the dust cover, slide lightening?) add a threaded barrel and comp, mount/optic of choice (I'd do a small side mount with an STS). They are selling a Czech Mate 9mm something like that, and have 27 round mags available too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) The Sig X5 has an inherant design flaw which other Sigs don't have if I'm not mistaking. Something about the extractor design. The Glock's design simply isn't very good for an open gun. It's definitely the CZ platform for the win. Edited March 3, 2012 by Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
59Bassman Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 The CZ will be very difficult to find mags for. The current TS mags hold 20. Adding the basepads don't help, as the basepads don't have ribs. CZCustom makes a 75 CTS Longslide that's a TS slide on a Shadow body. Mags that hold 23 rounds don't seem to be that difficult, more than that might be an issue. I'm also not sure where you'd get a compensator for a 75, or whether the 75 will stand up to 9mm major loads. The safest CZ bet is the Czechmate. Then the package is done for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noximus03 Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 WWW.BB-Enterprise.biz Bobby Carver specializes in Glock/M&P/XD/XDM Open guns. Look him up, you wont be disappointed you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Well I want to do an open gun. Which is best. STI. Buy a TruBor from Brazos for $2500, and you're all set to go. Or, buy a used TruBor ... Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noximus03 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Well I want to do an open gun. Which is best. STI. Buy a TruBor from Brazos for $2500, and you're all set to go. Or, buy a used TruBor ... Jack + $150-200 for the holster, + $40-60 per mag holster (if needed), + $55-120 per magazine (depending on what type you get, and STI doesnt make a 9mm 2011 mag, you have to DIY it, +$$$$ to start reloading your own rounds (if you dont already). Most 2011's wont run factory ammo. Not bashing the 2011, or STI/SVI's by any means. Great guns, but it shouldnt be a choice for your 1st open gun. Just my .02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade M Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 shouldn't you just buy a proven platform and save some trouble and possibly even some money. my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootertheshooter Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 The Sig X5 has an inherant design flaw which other Sigs don't have if I'm not mistaking. Something about the extractor design. The Glock's design simply isn't very good for an open gun. It's definitely the CZ platform for the win. why is a glock a bad open gun? Is it weight or just not a 1911 platform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauza45 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 What platform do you shoot know? I have been shooting limited with an Brazos and just switched to open last month. Having never shoot open I did not want to experment, I just wanted to shoot. I got the Brazos open in 38sc and could not be happier. Get a gun that will shoot and work on shooting, not the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) What platform do you shoot know? I have been shooting limited with an Brazos and just switched to open last month. Having never shoot open I did not want to experment, I just wanted to shoot. I got the Brazos open in 38sc and could not be happier. Get a gun that will shoot and work on shooting, not the gun. I shoot the following in USPSA matches depending on my mood. Sig X5 L1 CZ 75 TS HK 45 S&W model 25-2 S&W model 586 S&W model 66 Rock Island 45 Glock 35 Recent purchase but not shot in a match yet. Sig 1911 Scorpion Edit. Sorry. Forgot about my M&P 9. I've shot it but it's become my nightstand gun. Edited March 4, 2012 by West Texas Granny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I've thought that the 9mm CZ TS would be a great platform to build an open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noximus03 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 The Sig X5 has an inherant design flaw which other Sigs don't have if I'm not mistaking. Something about the extractor design. The Glock's design simply isn't very good for an open gun. It's definitely the CZ platform for the win. why is a glock a bad open gun? Is it weight or just not a 1911 platform? I honestly think thats a matter of opinion and personal preference. Weight is a factor, I'm sure. I'm no pro, nor do I have any aspirations of being one, but I'm no slouch either. I've shot alot of different types of 2011's (STI/SVI/Limcats's, etc) and I also own a Glock open gun. To be honest, I really havent noticed much of a difference score wise between the 2 types. Feel wise....night and day between the angle of the gun, weight difference, and grip width. I do know that im way faster with a 2011 in a steel challenge match. I gotta say....I do love my Carver Glock, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupie Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 A lot of people use black guns to make open guns, it just depends on what your goals are. If you have the money, talent, dedication to win locally and your main goal is to win, buy a sti open gun and don't re-walk the trail that many of us have already been down. If you are just interested in seeing what you can do with the guns you own and if it doesn't run 100% it isnt that big of deal than go ahead with what you are thinking about. If you really want to win and just don"t think you can afford a real open gun than save your pennies while you shoot other divisions with your other guns and when you have enough money buy a real open gun. The only reason I have laid it out this way is many people have tried guns like these and very few have won with them. Meanwhile you spend as much money or more re-inventing the wheel only to have something that almost runs as good as a STI etc. So you think to yourself well if its cheaper almost runs as good sounds pretty good! Then one day you find your self frustrated because that one hiccup every once in a while is what is keeping you from winning every month and now slowly but surely you have spent over the last 2-3 years enough money trying stuff to but a real open gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoops! Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 why is a glock a bad open gun? Is it weight or just not a 1911 platform? They have too much recoil. I don't know if it's the weight, the mechanics, or the comp design. I lean toward comp design, but it could very well be mechanics in terms of how it handles the initial recoil pulse with regard to timing, etc. I wouldn't necessarily say the 2011 is the best either. No factory makes really good mags for it. They all need feed lip adjustment to run optimally with a super light recoil spring. Even Brazos Custom Tuned mags won't run with a light recoil spring in my experience. A friend of myne just bought a pack of 5 tuned mags and they were all failing to feed because of how narrow the feed lips were. I do use a 2011 right now though, because I only use 38 super and the Czechmate is not. I loved my Tanfoglio, but it was just a piece of junk in terms of quality when compared to my Infinity. The CZ has a ton of potential though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Well I want to do an open gun. I have the CZ75 TS (9mm), a Sig X5-L1 (9mm) and a Glock 35 (40) to choose from. Which is best. Sell all 3 and go STI platform. or........ Convert the CZ 9mm into a czechmate. I'm sure you're still looking at $1500.00-2k. Call the guys at CZ Custom in AZ see how much for the magwell, grips and complete top end with comp, red dot mount, Cmore and 2 - 27 round magazines. http://czcustom.com/ http://czcustom.com/checkmatets.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Well the glock already has a lone wolf 6 port barrel and extended mag release. I was thinking of switching the plastic mag well out for a brass one and replacing the trigger and striker. Then later on add the C-More STS to it. It's a tad expensive so I don't know if I will add it or not but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hello: I would say try an Open pistol first to see if you actually like shooting one. The red dot takes some time to get used to and the recoil impulse is different than any other pistol. Lastly the noise and concussion may not agree with you. I have a friend who shoots a Glock 34 with a JP dot mounted on the slide. He shoots 9mm minor and loves it. He likes not having to reload on a stage as much and he uses factory ammo. As he puts it " I may not win the match but I won't be last". Just to add he has bad knees also. I say try one before you make your decision Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovel_doctor Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Ive got a G35 I built into a open gun and I love it. I shot a caspian and you can't compare the two. Ya I would love a caspian, sti etc but can't see myself spending the coin at this point. I used all SJC parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hello: I would say try an Open pistol first to see if you actually like shooting one. The red dot takes some time to get used to and the recoil impulse is different than any other pistol. Lastly the noise and concussion may not agree with you. I have a friend who shoots a Glock 34 with a JP dot mounted on the slide. He shoots 9mm minor and loves it. He likes not having to reload on a stage as much and he uses factory ammo. As he puts it " I may not win the match but I won't be last". Just to add he has bad knees also. I say try one before you make your decision Thanks, Eric Noise and concussion are not a concern but using a red dot is as I've never used one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SOW Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hello: I would say try an Open pistol first to see if you actually like shooting one. The red dot takes some time to get used to and the recoil impulse is different than any other pistol. Lastly the noise and concussion may not agree with you. I have a friend who shoots a Glock 34 with a JP dot mounted on the slide. He shoots 9mm minor and loves it. He likes not having to reload on a stage as much and he uses factory ammo. As he puts it " I may not win the match but I won't be last". Just to add he has bad knees also. I say try one before you make your decision Thanks, Eric Noise and concussion are not a concern but using a red dot is as I've never used one. " CZ has new 9mm open gun based on the TS frame. The "Czechmate" comes ready-to-run. http://czcustom.com/checkmatets.aspx I sure wish I had the $$$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I would try an Open pistol first to see if you like shooting one. The red dot takes some time to get used to and the recoil impulse is different Eric THAT sounds like GREAT advice. You must be able to borrow someone's for a trial spin? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 caspians, easy parts, groundwork has been done, mags that work. whats not to like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 caspians, easy parts, groundwork has been done, mags that work. whats not to like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noximus03 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) caspians, easy parts, groundwork has been done, mags that work. whats not to like ? the $3-6k price tag....maybe? My 1st open gun was a Carver Glock G22. Loved it, had a blast with it, and got everything needed for $1500 out the door. Not trying to turn this into a debate of who's better, but price seems to be one of the obstacles with WTG's question. Edited March 5, 2012 by Noximus03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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