ss+P Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Ok i know this has been talked about a bunch, but i believe this may be a new idea. So every USPSA member is apart of an area but not everyone is a member of a specific club. within the area there are sections and clubs that make up those sections. Here is my pitch: We all shoot local matches at multiple clubs, why not pick a club as my HOME CLUB. Allow the clubs to have "teams" and then those teams can compete against other teams in that section (at sectional matches) and against other club teams within the area at area matches. Everyone knows that the big names travel all over and compete and win a lot of matches outside of there area or section. no big deal. Let the clubs compete for bragging rights or some small wager (not always money)as having the best "club" team in the area. scoring could be done the same way as the world shoot is. add up the % points of your team members in that division and who ever has the highest % points wins. I don't know just throwing something out there. let me know what you think. If this needs to be moved then please move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Are you proposing the possibility of multiple "Teams" at any given club, or just 1 "Team" per club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin garcia Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Being done by some other IPSC countries, i.e., Philippines. They have matches like Battle of the Clubs. great idea, just needs a little buy in from the shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 USPSA is an individual sport. The different classes and divisions doesnt lend itself to team scoring. I would like to have a home club though if there was one that wasnt a 5 hour round trip most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I like the idea but, I think it might be tough to get the equal number of shooters per team in the same divisions and class together at the matches so the teams could be scored fairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Just make the team consist of one competitor from each division. The members can rotate each match if needed so that everyone gets to play. However, the revo guy may get lots of playing time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Teams consist of four members. They cannot shoot in the same division and they cannot hold the same classification. Example, Open GM, Limited M, Production A, SS, B. As many teams and combinations as you can field from your club are OK, but they must follow the same format. I choose 4 divisions as it is likely you can find the required number of shooters to compete and it is also likely that the divisions will be shot at most of the clubs. If you run out of higher level shooters You can double up on a lower class. as an example you can field GM, M, A, B or you could field M, M, A, B or A,A,A,B you cannot field 4 A's You could field 4 B's, C's or D's. Also any shooter would have to compete in his highest division. No GM Limited shooter shooting A class in L-10. Obviously there are areas that would eed to be tweaked, but this is workable. IF, can you say BIG IFthe shooters want it. Add up the percentages of the team and that is your team score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMan72 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I like it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedog Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I like it...cool idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Jim, I am all for it. =) Perhaps we can have some sort of play on this at our Mid Atlantic sectional and test it at upcoming local matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss+P Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 I also shoot in area 8 and was thinking of pitching the idea to the local club leader. Thinking he could "challenge" the other clubs in the section for the vamd sectional. I was thinking something more along the lines of 2-8 shooters in limited, open, and prod (just as a tester) I think each club has that. Then just add up the best scores from say 6 of the 8 competitors in each division and see who wins. I think that is the way the world shoot does it. I think the hardest thing about this idea is figuring out how to be equal with all classes while letting everyone who wants to play the chance. Some clubs may not have a gm or multiple in class shooters. So you it may be hard to say 5 a class limited shooters from club x against club y and z as an example. Wonder if you could say two As equal a gm and two Bs equal a m. So if club x has 2 gm they would compete against 4 As. That doesn't seem fair. Let's keep plugging at this. We may be on to something. I am sure this would give tech wear more business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss+P Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Are you proposing the possibility of multiple "Teams" at any given club, or just 1 "Team" per club? Chris I am not sure. You could do one team from club x against the other sectional or area clubs. Or you could have multiple teams by division and class from each club. A club that only had an open b class team would only "wager" against the other clubs with b open teams. The clubs could wager money. A range clean up from the losing teams to the winning team. Maybe make the losing teams come and be ROs at the next local match and have them paste and keep score but not shoot. I am sure we could make this fun w/o involving money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZ Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 ss+P, This idea looks like it could really take off. It would definitely put more of a team aspect in the sport instead of just focusing on individual effort. How do you propose getting something like this off the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss+P Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 i don't know. that is why i posted it on here. can anyone help get this off the ground or are you all going to take the credit for it when it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 everything new is old again. I have been on this forum about 7 years. This comes up every so often. Seems to stop at the same place. There just isnt any way to score multi class division shooters and other than the few posters here it doesnt seem to generate much interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IL-SIG Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 What if each team member started with their Classification % for whatever division they are shooting. Then they get points based on how much they exceed their class %. For example, if a shooter's class % is 68%, but they score a 72% in the competition, they get 4 points for their team. If they score under their class %, they get no points for the team. This would encourage team members from a variety of classifications, because a C-class shooter could contribute as much as a GM. It would bascially be how much does each team member exceed their handicap, to use a golf-term. If this approach was used, class and division wouldn't actually matter. Only how each team member does compared to their official classification %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman711 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I like the idea.It'll promote more comradere,shooters may even try harder not to let their team down,develop competition between clubs,and in general add a new variable to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss+P Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 that is a pretty good idea. i like it. unfortunatly it doesn't seem like there are enough people interested in starting club teams out there to get a couple up and running to evaluate their worth in the uspsa system. believe me i am all in with this idea and think it would be a great way to get people interested in the sport, it would/could even bring in the teenage folk who like to compete against other teams. This would be a far stretch but it could work for tv purposes too. i like 3gn, but each week you follow a different person and really don't get to see much of the same shooters. look at every major sporting event, they are all team oriented. just some thoughts and maybe a whole bunch of dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 then you have teams getting scored not on how well they did but on how well some other unrelated shooter scored. The only way that works is if each team has members of the exact same division and class. So yep the div/class would still result in wide swings of team scoring because you are scoring individual team members against different scales. USPSA is not a team scored event. The scoring just doesnt adapt to it. The only way teams can work is if the teams are the exact same makkeup. Something that is really hard to put together in actual practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss+P Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 i agree that it is pretty hard to come up with a way to score everyone equally. i think you are right you need teams made up of same division and class from team a against same division and class from team b. it would be great if there was a way that you could do this. i think it would be great for the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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