RWF Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) i already do know about Benilli and pistol grips, but because of arthritis a year or 2 ago i had to cover the right side of the standard comfort tech stock with mole skin because the fake chechering on some days felt like needles. i am playing with a mesa tactical short pistol grip stock. i do like it very much. the bolt has already been lighten, it does run the wal-mart federal 100 pack ammo but just. it is easy to make it fail. also if it matters it is a 21 barrel. what i am wanting to know, i s can i run the 20 gauge sure cycle in this 12 guage? i think this would fix the pistol grip and light loads issue. from the web site they are both 21mm. i am also hoping to do a open M2 this year set up this way but with a 24" barrel. thanks for any feed back. Edited February 19, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 No. You can't, nor should you. If you want a soft Open gun, get a gas gun, not a inertia gun. Like a Remington 1100 or the new Jerry Miculek Mossberg 930. There is no problem running a Benelli with a pistol grip, lots of guys do it. Benelli's kick like a m..f. Period. You get used to it, embrace it and work with it. Or not. If your gun isn't running fast and reliable-there is something wrong. Give Benny Hill a call-you'll save yourself a lot of grief. Triangle Shooting Sports. Gas guns require more frequent cleaning and maintenance for the same volume of shooting. Both are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 If it isn't running right I would contact Benelli and let them do warranty work before I took it to any gunsmiths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter115 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 If it isn't running right I would contact Benelli and let them do warranty work before I took it to any gunsmiths. The gun's has been modified......Warranty is Ka-poot. Like Jadeslade said, If you want soft shooting, gas is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 benny did the bolt, the gun has been great. gas guns and i do not get along. bought a 1100 Competion master new, junk even Matt Burkett told me to trash it, traded for a SX2 pactical limited it looked just like the FN does now. ran about 95%. M2 100%, just like any Benelli light loads and pistol grip stocks do not mix. even if the gun was new with a factory pistol grip and returned it nothing would be done but instructions to use heavier loads, benny told me (this was about 2 or 3 years ago) that he could make it work but it would cost. had a SX3 on layaway with only about $50 left when i realize no one does any open parts for the gun, not Benny Hill. called X-rail they custom fit parts only for there team. just looking for idea's to work around arthritis without spending 2500-3000 on a saiga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 If it isn't running right I would contact Benelli and let them do warranty work before I took it to any gunsmiths. You've had Benelli do warranty work for you? They never answer me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 If it isn't running right I would contact Benelli and let them do warranty work before I took it to any gunsmiths. You've had Benelli do warranty work for you? They never answer me. Haven't ever needed to. Mines been 100%, but I would try there before paying someone else to do it. I guess I missed the mods done to the OP's post, so it doesn't apply in his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 If it isn't running right I would contact Benelli and let them do warranty work before I took it to any gunsmiths. The gun's has been modified......Warranty is Ka-poot. Like Jadeslade said, If you want soft shooting, gas is the way to go. Should have read more carefully. I missed the part where he said the bolt was lightened. Nevermind then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 there been little more mods than just the bolt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 benny did the bolt, the gun has been great. gas guns and i do not get along. bought a 1100 Competion master new, junk even Matt Burkett told me to trash it, traded for a SX2 pactical limited it looked just like the FN does now. ran about 95%. M2 100%, just like any Benelli light loads and pistol grip stocks do not mix. even if the gun was new with a factory pistol grip and returned it nothing would be done but instructions to use heavier loads, benny told me (this was about 2 or 3 years ago) that he could make it work but it would cost. had a SX3 on layaway with only about $50 left when i realize no one does any open parts for the gun, not Benny Hill. called X-rail they custom fit parts only for there team. just looking for idea's to work around arthritis without spending 2500-3000 on a saiga. The 1100 Compettion master is for trap and skeet, not 3 Gun. That's why Matt said junk it. No Benelli runs light loads-check out the specs on the gun. We lighten bolts for speed, not to "lessen recoil". Put a stock bolt back in, stock lifter back in and use Federal Walmart 3 dram, 7.5, 1 1/8 oz. If that bothers you, you have to go to a gas gun. You are not going to get a "soft shooting" Benelli to help with arthritis. The pistol grip is just personal preference. There is so much crappy information on Benelli's out there. The 1100 you want is a 21" barrel out of the box for 3 Gun Tactical Division, then convert it for Open. Great gun, a little front heavy. Or try Jerry's Mossberg 930. Dude knows about Open Shotguns. Saigas are a PITA. I consider them the Para of shotguns. Maybe they will get better. They suck now. Unless you have a full time smith or are one. Kind of like driving a Maserati. Cool car, foreign cache, but feeding the mechanic that lives in the trunk is not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 sorry, but you are mistaken 1100 competion master, i am talking about came from the factory with a 8 round tube and 3 gun gear side saddle an so on, even the TV comercials show it 3 gun ready and was discontinue what 4 or 5 years ago. sorry but most everything you saided is wrong as what mine can do (M2) on the M2 it always has had a stock lifter, and mine does run 2.75 dram 7/8 with the comfort tech stock.and all i use is wal-mart federal 100 packs until i find others on sale. i never said anything about wanting a soft shooting gun, it is not the recoil, i have tried Jerry's at the last Benning. in fact with pistol grip stock it still runs the wal-mart you listed because that is i use 90% of the time, the extraction is alittle weaker and does not want run 2.75 loads as it always does without a pistol grip. my M2 shoots 0.14 second split times before the bolt was lighten. sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yeah. You are talking apples and oranges. Just take some aspirin for your arthritis. If the recoil sin't the problem why would you shoot "light loads" I am sure you have the best M2. But it ain't working. Not swapping spit anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 Yeah. You are talking apples and oranges. Just take some aspirin for your arthritis. If the recoil sin't the problem why would you shoot "light loads" I am sure you have the best M2. But it ain't working. Not swapping spit anymore. less recoil, get on the next target faster, it is the grip angle and checking,the same reason i shoot 223 and not 5,56 (unless its on sale) i do not take asprin for it, hydrocodone 10/500 mg acetaminophen and 500mg Naproxen. i hope before you got mad you at least googled 1100 competion master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) just a note, those of you who know me know i am a piss poor shotgun shooter and have gotten worst the last 3 years or so. back when i first got my M2 i thought i could do a good crisp 3.5-4 trigger job, and with my great gunsmithing skills at random the gun would double, and each time it would happen the spilt times was 0.14 seconds.so i was totally out of the picture, just holding on. folks do not do that at home unless you just have the money to burn. M2 trigger parts are made from solid gold or at least they are priced that way. so after getting the new parts i gave to a real gun smith, now it has a very nice crisp 4# trigger. so there it is with me out of the way 0.14 spilts were the norm, Edited February 20, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerSniper158 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I will make it easy for ya... I will give you my used for 2 matches Remington tactical ( competition master with black furniture) for your benelli, problem solved!!! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) no sorry, the 1100 is the only shotgun, that give me a dnf it was really several. i bought new, it was so bad it had to be some kind of factory defect, do no not know, but i can not own another. Edited February 20, 2012 by RWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 20, 2012 Author Share Posted February 20, 2012 woo hoo! talked to sure cycle, they knew excatly what i was talking about, and make a replacement follower for the recoil assy that is/will fix the pistol grip and low power loads issue, $40.00 i will let you know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 also i have been told from PM's and phone calls, the pistol grip stocks can put stress on the recoil system by not being truely in line. which makes some scence because i have it heavly shimmed to get the POI were i want it. hoping sure cycle new follower will let me keep the shims in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 okay, i got the new follower for the light loads. that will allow the use of the pistol grip stock. the orginal follower for the recoil system in the butt stock. wieghed 3.11 oz the new one for the light load wieght 3.71 oz. WOW it was heavier. but i am on my work cycle so i get home right at dark. the new heavier follower does work with pistol grip stock and 2.75 Dram load, WOW!!! i took the orginal one that was 3.11 ozs to work and got it down to 2.70 ozs. and gun would not work at all even with my normal loads. but now i need a new spring in my haste because of my limited daylight when it tried to put the new follower back in. i had not gotten the recoil system tail cap tight so when i tried to remove bolt that keeps the stock on the cap came off the recoil assy and the spring shot out in to a ball in the stock. i really do not understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWF Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 got the new recoil springs today, to replace the one i damaged. the wolf reduced power was iffy with the 2.75 loads. the standard factory spring from brownell's is working great! no issues at all. bolt locking back, zero malfunctions. LIFE IS GOOD! with my short pistol grip stock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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