JAGER RSA for IDPA

[900_DRIVER]

since the stock RSA in the gen 4 35 is steel. can i replace it with the steel jager rod or do i have to stay with the polymer rod? the website says the polymer is legal for idpa but the gen 4 35 has a steel rod ( at least thats what i thought it has ) ? what do you think?

[SirLoin]

The RSA in the Gen4 G35 is polymer.

Pull back the slide and you can see it.

[DRAB81]

SirLoin is correct, the GEN 4 RSA's are also polymer. If you want to be compliant with USPSA Production/IDPA SSP rules, you need the polymer rod from Jager. I have one in my GEN 4 G17 (Production & SSP gun), and I also had one in my GEN 4 G35 when I had it. They work great for me.

[Suicycle]

Wow. My Gen4 34 has got steel in it and I have never got Robert Ray on the phone or to answer email on the very subject.

You can find my post on the IDPA fourm in the SSP section too, it drifts wildly and I just quit responding cause people couldn't stay on topic.

Edited February 16, 2012 by Suicycle

[DRAB81]

Wow. My Gen4 34 has got steel in it and I have never got Robert Ray on the phone or to answer email on the very subject.

You can find my post on the IDPA fourm in the SSP section too, it drifts wildly and I just quit responding cause people couldn't stay on topic.

Stuff like that is part of why I don't shoot as much IDPA as I originally planned. Way too much bickering & arguing over rules, both during matches & on the interwebz.

This one seems pretty cut and dry though, since the factory GEN 4 guide rod is polymer.

[SirLoin]

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the IDPA Rulebook clear on how non-factory-material guide rods aren't allowed for SSP?

Under the Excluded Modifications section of the Rulebook, it prohibits "4. Guide rods made of a material different from the factory part it replaces."

Not sure what the discussion in the IDPA forum was, but based on this rule, any guide rod not made of polymer is clearly not SSP kosher.

Wow. My Gen4 34 has got steel in it and I have never got Robert Ray on the phone or to answer email on the very subject.

You can find my post on the IDPA fourm in the SSP section too, it drifts wildly and I just quit responding cause people couldn't stay on topic.

[SirLoin]

Clarification: all the statements I made are limited to the context of Glocks in SSP.

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the IDPA Rulebook clear on how non-factory-material guide rods aren't allowed for SSP?

Under the Excluded Modifications section of the Rulebook, it prohibits "4. Guide rods made of a material different from the factory part it replaces."

Not sure what the discussion in the IDPA forum was, but based on this rule, any guide rod not made of polymer is clearly not SSP kosher.

Wow. My Gen4 34 has got steel in it and I have never got Robert Ray on the phone or to answer email on the very subject.

You can find my post on the IDPA fourm in the SSP section too, it drifts wildly and I just quit responding cause people couldn't stay on topic.

[900_DRIVER]

well i guess i thought it was steel, because the one end has the metal that hooks up beneath the chamber end of the barrel and didn't look closely at the "rod" part, so i guess to stay legal in ssp i should get the polymer one.

which has the advantage? polymer or steel? i might just go up to esp if steel runs better.

Edited February 16, 2012 by 900_DRIVER

[SirLoin]

Yep, that's what I thought too until I racked the slide and saw the polymer part.

I have both, both from Jager, and I personally don't see a measurable difference in my shooting. If the steel made a .1 second difference in my splits, I'd be all over it, but nope.

At the end of the day, we're talking a few grams here, so I personally wouldn't move up to ESP just for that. But if you're looking to enjoy the other benefits of an ESP gun and will move to ESP regardless, then the extra few grams from the steel won't hurt.

well i guess i thought it was steel because the one end has the metal end that hooks up beneath the chamber end of the barrel and didn't look closely at the "rod" part, so i guess to stay legal in ssp i should get the polymer one.

which has advantage? polymer or steel? i might just go up to esp if steel runs better.

[SirLoin]

Of course, if you're a Master level IDPA shooter, then maybe the few extra grams from a steel guide rod mean a material difference.

Yep, that's what I thought too until I racked the slide and saw the polymer part.

I have both, both from Jager, and I personally don't see a measurable difference in my shooting. If the steel made a .1 second difference in my splits, I'd be all over it, but nope.

At the end of the day, we're talking a few grams here, so I personally wouldn't move up to ESP just for that. But if you're looking to enjoy the other benefits of an ESP gun and will move to ESP regardless, then the extra few grams from the steel won't hurt.

well i guess i thought it was steel because the one end has the metal end that hooks up beneath the chamber end of the barrel and didn't look closely at the "rod" part, so i guess to stay legal in ssp i should get the polymer one.

which has advantage? polymer or steel? i might just go up to esp if steel runs better.

[900_DRIVER]

im a beginner, hopefully some day i will get there

[Suicycle]

Just checked back in on this thread to see where it is and learned the guts of the RSA is plastic by looking after reading. When slide is locked back you can see it clearly. But the rest of the shell capturing the springs is steel. I think the intent of a plastic rod for SSP even though there is some steel on Gen4 guns is the only acceptable way the rules can be interpreted. Other posters have nailed it though, if you are going to run in ESP with a magwell get the steel and make it an extended one at that.