TDean Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 After taking a break from shooting, I'm seeing things differently - a fresh perspective if you will (where's Jack Barnes when you need him:-)) That being said, my trusty Limited gun with Koenig hammer is exhibiting a characteristic I'v never noticed...the hammer, if manually pushed rearward to its fullest rotation will over-center lock to the point that it will NOT fall when the trig is pressed. Anyone else? PS, The "automatic" cycling of the gun prooves normal hammer falling function. I'm causing the issue by manually forcing the hammer beyong overcenter...the question is: should it, mechanically, be allowed to go that far? I'm flashing back to the dozen or so times (10 years) the gun failed to fire with safety off, hammer cocked, grip safety deactivated...all looking normal. Could this be related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalaur Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think this is normal, generally your hammer will bottom out on the grip safety before you get to the 'overtravel' part. Shouldn't really be an issue, but if you really want to fix you could look for a new grip safety that has a shallow cut for the hammer, and adjust to your gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Odd that I never noticed that before. Maybe the Koenig hammer is shorter (in the 25/32 dimension) than traditional hammers. Edited February 9, 2012 by TDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koppi Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I have heard of welding in the gap between the two on the grip saftey, so it does not go over to far. It is bad on the hammer hooks to slam them like that over and over. Do you also need a trigger, hammer job, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Can you push the hammer back forward by hand or does it stick rearward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 I can manually push it fwd from overcenter to engage the sear, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Take out the sear spring and sear and see if still happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Interesting...are you thinking the sear is dragging on the hammer? I'll give it a shot. Edited February 10, 2012 by TDean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos Custom Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 There is nothing wrong with your hammer. Once you cock the hammer far enough that the hole for the strut pin is past vertical there is nothing to push the hammer forward. It actually is trying to rotate it the other way push it back. The hammer should not really get close to this position during the firing cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Exactly Bob. Overcenter for sure. When you say it shouldn't be an issue during live fire are you saying: 1) Ignore it. The mainsprings resistance will keep the hammer's momentum from reaching the point of overcentering. or 2) There's a problem. Thanks, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powder Finger Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Interesting...are you thinking the sear is dragging on the hammer? I'll give it a shot. I was more on the line that near over center that the strut was riding/draging on the center leaf of the sear spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos Custom Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ignore it, the hammer should not get to that point in the normal firing cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ignore it, the hammer should not get to that point in the normal firing cycle. Ok. Thanks Bob. ;-) I appreciate the discussion gents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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