Rosshooting Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 I am interested about the times and points that you have reached of "El Presidente" with some production division guns! Thank you in advance! Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 The best so far (not for score, just in practice) is a 3.85 down 3 with a G19. Like Steve Anderson says, the key is hauling ass on the turn and spotting that first target. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 The best so far (not for score, just in practice) is a 3.85 down 3 with a G19. WOW! That is Smoking Fast!! I have yet to break the 5 sec. mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 It's Johnny Lim's fault. He's thrown down the gauntlet for a sub 3 second El Pres! The best on that so far is 2.95 down 4 with my Open gun. With this, the turn and spotting the first target are huge, but my big fumble is usually the reload. Got to hit it and go! Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerT Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 It's Johnny Lim's fault. He's thrown down the gauntlet for a sub 3 second El Pres!The best on that so far is 2.95 down 4 with my Open gun. With this, the turn and spotting the first target are huge, but my big fumble is usually the reload. Got to hit it and go! Rich Huh, what...... Hell, I don't even think that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 Mid fives reliably with a CZ 75B with a low five on occasion. I don't practice them very often. I suppose bragging rights to a superhuman run is kind of cool, but I am more interested in par times cold and on demand. A one second turning draw, one second reload, .12 splits, and .12 transitions would add up to 3.2 seconds. I would think that would be fairly decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted June 21, 2004 Share Posted June 21, 2004 A good drill to work on is Hammer Time: 8 targets in a semi-circle about 7-10 yards down range with a no-shoot between groups of four. Facing up range, gun loaded and holstered, wrists above shoulders, turn and draw firing two on targets 1-4, make a mandatory reload, then firing two each on T5-8. Par time: 6 seconds. Other than that and doing some range time, good, solid and aggressive dry firing helps out tremendously. Try Steve Anderson's book. It's really helping me out. Just have to get better at my reloads. Range time is key. You have to practice pulling the trigger fast. It's just that simple. It's like standards. They're not a whole lot of fun, but you have to do them. Bill Drills at various distances are great too. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos Custom Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I was chuckling when I saw the 3.85 now I am really laughing at the 2.95. Sounds like you need a new timer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Holy scorched barrel lands Batman! I'm still scrambling for a magazine at 2.95 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I would like to respectfully request some video of a 2.95 El Prez.....with hits. If it comes through, I'll start practicing again! BTW, I pulled off a 4.31 down 2 with my duty rig, duty gun, etc. in a demo....with a witness (JLJ). 2.95..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 A 2.......what????? Ummmm, this I have got to see. And yes I was there to see the duty rig work at it's best. It was pretty nice. The fastest I've done with a duty rig during a demo was a 5.05 down 1. A 4.73 down 3 is my best in a match with my limited gear. JLJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Wow.. 3.00 equals: .75 turn-n-draw .15 split .15 transition .15 split .15 transition .15 split .75 reload .15 split .15 transition .15 split .15 transition .15 split Smokin... Something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosshooting Posted June 22, 2004 Author Share Posted June 22, 2004 What about a competition result in production division (balance between speed and accuracy) ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosshooting Posted June 22, 2004 Author Share Posted June 22, 2004 and guys can I receive some videos? Pleaaaase! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Paging Jake DaVita. Dr. DaVita, please come to the lobby. Jake the Snake will probably know some standard times for various divisions. ================================================= No comment on the videos. However, to see a 3.69 El Prez, head to: http://www.andersonshooting.com/videos.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Open, I'd say anything 4.5 and under, with at least 55 points is doing real well. Limited/L10, 5 and under, with at least 55 points. Prod, 5.5 and under, with at least 56 points is sweet. Revolver, if you can hit it under 6.5 with 55 points, you are doin real well. Just estimates from memory. My personal best (off the top of my head) in Prod is around 5.25 with 54 points. usc, If you did an el prez in 2.95 with 56 points, you should absolutely cream everyone at nationals this year...and every other major match for that matter. Produce a video and an eye witness and I might believe that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 a 2.95 el prez.. my only question is.... do YOU believe what you just said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMinzghor Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 production hit factors nationally are based on a 5% reduction of the Limited high hit factor and for El Prez limited is 10.8 minus 5% gives you a high hit factor of 10.26 for production. 5.5 seconds down five is about a 97% for production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 The Vice Presidente (no turn and targets at 7 yards) I have seen done down around 3 flat, but a full on El Prez with targets at 10 yards is another story entirely. Jake is right on the money with his assessments and Steve’s performance on video is about as good as it’s gonna get. Man, that‘s smokin’, Steve. Yowza! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38supPat Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Well I remember the El Prez challenge sponsored by Gungames a few years back. The goal there was a sub 3.95 all a's. It was shot at both the Canadaian and US Nationals. At the Canadians anyone could try...no-one did it. At the US Nationals the top 16 got to shoot it on the shootoff day. Again, not only did no-one do it, but no-one could hang all the hits on the target. I think the closest was probably Matt Burkett with one miss. In reality world, anything near in 4's would be a kick ass run, and a sub 4 is smoking. I think Leatham has pulled some mid to high 3's and I suspect Todd and that French kid could be there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Now some people were arguing on my thread earlier that a shooter could have a "run of his lifetime" and do something 50% faster than other good shooters. Again Please. That would equate to a 2 second El Prez Does not compute but let's see video and I will see the light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 Well I remember the El Prez challenge sponsored by Gungames a few years back. The goal there was a sub 3.95 all a's. It was shot at both the Canadaian and US Nationals. At the Canadians anyone could try...no-one did it. At the US Nationals the top 16 got to shoot it on the shootoff day. Again, not only did no-one do it, but no-one could hang all the hits on the target. I think the closest was probably Matt Burkett with one miss.In reality world, anything near in 4's would be a kick ass run, and a sub 4 is smoking. I think Leatham has pulled some mid to high 3's and I suspect Todd and that French kid could be there too. I ran the El Prez Challenge at the US Nationals. The goal was a hit factor of 15.0000, which, IIRC, roughly translates to a 3.95 second run with all A's. During the week I talked to most of the big boys and they were split 50/50 on whether or not it was possible. Most of them said they could do it occasionally in practice, but it would be very difficult to do on demand. No one even came close. The highest hit factor was by Doug Koenig with a 12.++ something. I think he was the only one without a miss. A 2.95 second run with no misses??? I don't think so. Arnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmills Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 What's everyone's best times on a Cooper El Presidente (IDPA style) with a reload from concealment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRD Posted June 22, 2004 Share Posted June 22, 2004 I hereby formally request that whenever anyone starts a thread about the El Prez, we get a definition of what exactly we're talking about. I never know what El Prez is under discussion...there are so many versions. The 'real' version, as far as I know, is 10 yards, 3 yards between targets (shoulder to shoulder), concealed, surrender, turning draw. I don't think that's what we're talking about here... - Gabe PS: I'd love to see a vid of a 3.95 down 3 with a G19... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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