shred Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 This month, we're going 35 years back. June, 1977. Just outside Denver. The IPSC-sponsored US National Combat Pistol Championships. What will be later called the first USPSA Nationals. The question: How many shooters used compensated pistols at the match? And the tiebreaker (since otherwise it's a guessing game): What is a "Snick"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom Rust Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 One? Half a snickers bar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 None and a plastic holster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsydlooknin75 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) None and a snick is similar to a smidge meaning very little. Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk Edited January 5, 2012 by Outsydlooknin75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-the new guy Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 none and disengaging the thumb safety as in snicked the safety off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Springer Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 0 It's what Lorena did to John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Snick.....A gunfighting holster rig.... http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?93922-My-Snick-Holster-Gunfighting-Rig&p=1293641#post1293641 And I don't know how many used compensated pistols, but there were 30 open shooters....The match was restricted to 125 shooters....95 in the "Championship Class" and 30 in the "Open" class..... http://www.americanhandgunner.com/1977issues/AHND77.pdf Edited January 6, 2012 by GrumpyOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Oh he's GOOD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Oh he's GOOD!!! Read the article? It's damn interesting! Someone shot a 44 mag in the competition..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scffacenter1 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'm going to say 11. Really no rhyme or reason. Just a guess. Snick is what happens when you are in a serious public situation and something happens that makes you want to laugh really hard, and it starts to slip out (like a snicker) but you catch it just in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Sort of amusing that race holsters have been around since Day 1 and at least 3 of the top ten at the very first US Nationals used them. Changes the "good old days" traditionalist line a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKT1106 Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I am going to say none because back in 1977, all the shooters were real men. Snick is a small notch or cut. In this context, probably a holster cut for combat or fast draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'll guess one compensated pistol. Ray Chapman with a ported extended barrel on his Colt .45 The Snick was an open front competition holster made of plastic. "Snick" was the sound it made when you drew the pistol out the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Guess I wasn't right...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 7, 2012 Author Share Posted January 7, 2012 Some excellent memories and impressive Google-Fu, but as-yet we have no complete answer. So, since we now know what a 'Snick' is, and we know the answer isn't zero (despite how 'manly' they may or may not have been in those days) or one, or 30 (the 'Open' refers to slots were walk-on versus 'earned' by winning other matches) the tie-breaker is now either the name of a shooter that shot one or the smith that built one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammerJammer Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Ralph? I need a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 (edited) Smith that built it...J. Michael Plaxco "In the early days of IPSC (International Practical Shooting Confederation) competition, where power, accuracy, and speed of target engagement were equal elements rewarded by the scoring format, the .45 ACP in the familiar 1911 Colt-type pistol reigned supreme for many years. The basic 1911 evolved into a highly modified, but uncompensated, .45 Government Model typified by the Clark Pin Gun design, which featured a simple muzzle weight. The gun’s transformation into the fully compensated 1911 began when J. Michael Plaxco introduced the first compensator, consisting of a muzzle weight with a single expansion chamber and vertical porting to reduce recoil and muzzle lift. Even with these changes, however, the .38 Super began to dominate Unlimited or Open Class competitions in l987." So, if the smith wasn't him, then I would suggest that maybe the gun wasn't truly "compensated", but merely muzzle weighted. So, by that definition, there were 0 shooters shooting compensated guns...???? http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/sept96compkit.html Edited January 7, 2012 by GrumpyOne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z40acp Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 3 comp guns, Clark/ gunsmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveU Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 Not a muzzle weight. Gas was redirected to some extent. There is a difference in this case between 'compensator' and 'compensated'. See: Glock 'C' models, for example (though not relevant unless some number of competitors had access to a time machine and particularly poor judgement, given what else would have been available ) Plaxco is (as far as I know), correctly identified as the first to use a traditional compensator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Nesbitt Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Are you talking compensated or ported? Chapman and Ayoob both ran ported pistols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 8, 2012 Author Share Posted January 8, 2012 We have a winner! Two shooters, one of which was Ray Chapman. Both used 6" barrels in 5" slides with top-cuts to redirect muzzle gas and cut recoil. IPSC shooters have been a bunch of gamey bastards since the very beginning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 Trick question...There is a difference between ported and compensated..... Even your article doesn't say that they were compensated....and erroneously says that the cuts were used as a muzzle brake....They were ported, nothing more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKAVELI Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Good history lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebridge Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) dang, how do you all know that stuff....i was born in 77 and i remember any of it. hehe! Edited January 23, 2012 by thebridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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