Bob Hostetter Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) I have the opposite problem. I have a landowner that has about 5000 arces located off a scenic highway just down the street from a casino and a racetrack with a small local town about 1 mile away. It is guaranteed to have no encroachment problems for at least 50 years, and is located within 30 miles of several large population bases with excellent housing, lodging, eateries, and entertainment. It has excellent weather except for about 2 months out of the year, is exempt from most federal, state, and local regulations and has access to water and power. It is ready to develope into a world class facility but we can't find an investor(s). Edited December 22, 2011 by Bob Hostetter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 In general terms - I know there are many variables - how many acres is required for such a facility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Are you asking if you need an impact area behind the berms? Sorry, I don't know. I have heard stories of .30-06 bullets flying for miles, but really I don't know. check out the satellite pic here of one club I belong too: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mascoutah,+IL&hl=en&ll=38.520772,-89.821365&spn=0.012356,0.013969&hnear=Mascoutah,+St+Clair,+Illinois&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6 The range was there first. The older version of Lake Road off to the right of the range went due north right next to Mascoutah Lake and intersected Highway 161. The state or whoever decided for whatever reason(s) to make the road zig zag to the left kinda behind our berms. What that distance is now behind the back berms and the new road...I have no idea. If you were to zoom in you could see that our range actually has wooden baffles. You absolutely positively do NOT want a range with wooden baffles. It sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's cheaper to rent plus you won't have to pay taxes, deal with neighbors., deal with encroachment and the other host of issues that privately owned ranges deal with. It's simply not worth the headaches and costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's cheaper to rent plus you won't have to pay taxes, deal with neighbors., deal with encroachment and the other host of issues that privately owned ranges deal with. It's simply not worth the headaches and costs. That is a very interesting perspective. You have a range club or business that rents the property? It is a great point, I have seen multiple ranges that started in the "country" and then had to close due to encroachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jar Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's cheaper to rent plus you won't have to pay taxes, deal with neighbors., deal with encroachment and the other host of issues that privately owned ranges deal with. It's simply not worth the headaches and costs. But then you have to deal with a landlord who could just sell the club directly to developers once the encroachment starts. Renting land doesnt seem like a good idea to me when the improvements you'll place on it are so usage specific. Are there ranges that work this way? Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 It's cheaper to rent plus you won't have to pay taxes, deal with neighbors., deal with encroachment and the other host of issues that privately owned ranges deal with. It's simply not worth the headaches and costs. That is a very interesting perspective. You have a range club or business that rents the property? It is a great point, I have seen multiple ranges that started in the "country" and then had to close due to encroachment. Encroachment is the greatest danger we face. Every shooting discipline should have this issue at the top of their list of concerns. Each entity should become involved in their local government and stay abreast of the planning and development plans of the governing bodies where their shooting facilities are located. Most cities have some sort of plan that lays out how they plan to develop their city. Get it. Review it. Examine it for threats to your shooting facility. If you don't one day you will arrive at the range and find that it's closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) what they will actually do is incorporate the land that your range is on, then they will say it now falls under their "no discharging of firearms within city limits" rule/ordinance. @jar....do I know you? You wouldn't be from around the St. Louis area, would you? Because that is exactly what happened to the Caseyville Rifle and Pistol Club, which is the one I linked to above, the satellite pic at its new location with the wooden baffles. soooo....yeah, you will own this land and not be able to shoot on it....and then miraculously a developer will come swooping in to save the day and tell you that they will buy your land off you and set your club/range at another location and it will be strictly a turn key, one for one swap. once they boot you off your old land, they will pussy foot around building your new range, then they hope that you will get lawyers involved as that just slowly bankrupts your club and they stall and stall and stall. then the whole time you are left scratching your head wondering if the municipality that incorporated around your original club was/is in cahoots with the developer who at first looked like a hero to save the day. the city benefits from the developer because he builds $300,000 McMansions on $50,000 acre lots and the city's tax base goes up, which means more revenue for the city....higher salaries....more cronies and family members to get on the city's payroll....etc...etc... yeah, call me jaded or cynical. Edited December 24, 2011 by Chills1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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