tgibson Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) So we have dates for the 2012 MGM Ironman. We are going to run two matches again this year, but I think we are going to change the format a little bit. The match dates are June 3-5 and June 7-9 at the Parma Rod and Gun Club in Parma, ID. We'll be doing two and a half days of shooting again. So here is what the new plan is. We are going to run a Pro/Am format. We'll be doing the Am match on the 3-5 and the Pro match on the 7-9. We'll run all five divisions in both matches. Limited, heavy optics, Open, Trooper, and Scoped Tac. Only the people shooting the Pro match will be eligable for the 3 Gun Nation Shoot offs. I'm going to try and get up to 140 shooters in both matches....and keep the round count above 850. We'll see how that goes!! The prize table for the Am match will be random draw. The Pro match will be order of finish. I don't know if I'm going to allow people to shoot both matches this year or not. IF I do, it will be if the Am match doesn't completely fill and I'll probably leave it open for at least two weeks before I let anyone else in. I can tell you from experience, shooting them both isn't an advantage. I shot the limited match (the first one I shot) WAAAYYYY better than I did the ST match. Let me know if you have questions. Adios, TG Edited October 17, 2011 by tgibson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLG8R Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Travis, unless I misread... what month will the match be held in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew1911 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Also, where is the range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Travis, unless I misread... what month will the match be held in? June Also, where is the range? Parma, ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 Travis, unless I misread... what month will the match be held in? June Also, where is the range? Parma, ID LOL!! What he said! Thanks for the help. OP is getting modified. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Thanks for the help. Anytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Will this be the year that I make the Trek to the Iron Man??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Are the stages going to be the same for both; will results be able to be compared between the two? I'd personally prefer to do the Pro match, but I sent the info out to the guys I carpool up there with to reach a group consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 HeMan Champs on 2nd and 3rd and Pro Trooper on the 7th-9th (assuming there will be enough for a pro trooper) I'm down!, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 Are the stages going to be the same for both; will results be able to be compared between the two? I'd personally prefer to do the Pro match, but I sent the info out to the guys I carpool up there with to reach a group consensus. There will be some slight modifications between the matches I'm sure, but for the most part, they will be pretty much the same. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyro Shooter Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 so if we were to participate in the 3Gun Nation series then we would only shoot the pro match? when are the apps going out? will you try to do pre-sign ups online again this year? (knowing the fun we all had last year.) sorry for all of the endless questions . . . but if I didn't ask them some one else would. and don't say that the sign ups are next Friday at noon. you know the cell & wifi isn't to good in the vegas desert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgibson Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 so if we were to participate in the 3Gun Nation series then we would only shoot the pro match? when are the apps going out? will you try to do pre-sign ups online again this year? (knowing the fun we all had last year.) sorry for all of the endless questions . . . but if I didn't ask them some one else would. and don't say that the sign ups are next Friday at noon. you know the cell & wifi isn't to good in the vegas desert Q1...Yes. Q2...Yes. I think we got it all squared away. Should be good to go. We'll probably do them around the first of February. As we get a little closer, I'll send out e mails and post on here. Adios, TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS101 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Now I have an even bigger desire to make it to this match! Time to start looking for someone to split the drive, hotel, etc...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) I'm curious with trooper being split between pro and Amateur, Do you believe there will be enough people that will sign up for the pro version of it? Edited October 18, 2011 by DocMedic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) I'm curious with trooper being split between pro and Amateur, Do you believe there will be enough people that will sign up for the pro version of it? There will be at least 3 of us from AZ coming to do Trooper in the pro division match. Its been as popular or more popular than open the past several years. Edited October 18, 2011 by SinistralRifleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm curious with trooper being split between pro and Amateur, Do you believe there will be enough people that will sign up for the pro version of it? There will be at least 3 of us from AZ coming to do Trooper in the pro division match. Its been as popular or more popular than open the past several years. But wouldn't you agree the reason for that is because that trooper appeals more the Amateur shooter who has a bunch of "toys" and gives them a bit of a justification to using them at a match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I can think of 5 who will be shooting trooper, not including Russell and his band of miscreants. I imagine that the Pro match will have more trooper shooters than the Am. I think that the true spirit of trooper would be best served by having the troopers pay a double entry fee and shoot both matches. We could call the division "Super Trooper". Now is when we derail the thread with movie quotes, "Littering......Littering.....And smoking the refer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm far from a Pro Shooter, far from a Good shooter, even amateur is stretching it.. but I can still sign up for the pro match? Just want to shot with the normal crew... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 But wouldn't you agree the reason for that is because that trooper appeals more the Amateur shooter who has a bunch of "toys" and gives them a bit of a justification to using them at a match? There's also been a distinct increase in upper tier shooters participating in it since 3 Gun Nation shoot offs started happening. I think how many other novices/gear addicts participate in either match will ultimately be based on which dates are more convenient for them as individuals to attend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm far from a Pro Shooter, far from a Good shooter I used to think like that, now I just go stand next to them...that gets me pretty close (no hugs for most of them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stlhead Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm curious with trooper being split between pro and Amateur, Do you believe there will be enough people that will sign up for the pro version of it? There will be at least 3 of us from AZ coming to do Trooper in the pro division match. Its been as popular or more popular than open the past several years. But wouldn't you agree the reason for that is because that trooper appeals more the Amateur shooter who has a bunch of "toys" and gives them a bit of a justification to using them at a match? It seems that your use of the word "Amateur" was meant to carry some sort of negative connotation. Was that your intent? I had just assumed that the Pro match would be the most appropriate for me to enter, but now I am rethinking that. Should the Pro match be reserved for sponsored or professional shooters only? What criteria will be used to decide who qualifies for the pro match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) My take is pros will enter the pro match to win prizes based on their performance. I don't think anyone will need to decide who is professional enough to enter it. Novices will enter the amateur match because they want to shoot for fun and maybe win some cool stuff by raffle. This is a good way to encourage new shooters to participate. Some people may choose one match over another based on when is better to take time off work or carpool with friends. A top 10% shooter probably won't want to enter the amateur match because there's not as certain of a pay off for participating. Edited October 18, 2011 by SinistralRifleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 At the same time, some "amatuers" WANT to compete against the "pros" to see how they measure up. Maybe even more true at the Iron Man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Good point; One of the best things about the action shooting sports is we've always been able to compare ourselves against the best in the country/world by simply entering the same event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocMedic Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'm curious with trooper being split between pro and Amateur, Do you believe there will be enough people that will sign up for the pro version of it? There will be at least 3 of us from AZ coming to do Trooper in the pro division match. Its been as popular or more popular than open the past several years. But wouldn't you agree the reason for that is because that trooper appeals more the Amateur shooter who has a bunch of "toys" and gives them a bit of a justification to using them at a match? It seems that your use of the word "Amateur" was meant to carry some sort of negative connotation. Was that your intent? I had just assumed that the Pro match would be the most appropriate for me to enter, but now I am rethinking that. Should the Pro match be reserved for sponsored or professional shooters only? What criteria will be used to decide who qualifies for the pro match? No not at all, I had a blast shooting it last year(.. despite my poor performance), my only concern is if theres gonna be enough participation for it to stay on the "pro" side of the house as its the only time line I'll be able to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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