Blcksmk Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I'm in search a load for production using VVN320 and 180G bullets. I'm shooting a Glock 22 and Glock 35. Thanks, Blcksmk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cslafrain Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I use 3.2 grains of n320 behind bbi or bayou coated bullets loaded at 1.135 oal. It works for glocks and sti. Pf is 133. Excellent load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blcksmk Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 I use 3.2 grains of n320 behind bbi or bayou coated bullets loaded at 1.135 oal. It works for glocks and sti. Pf is 133. Excellent load. Thanks! I'll load some up and shoot them out at the range next time I go! Blcksmk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 .40S&W Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Start/Max PowerFactor COL Fiocchi L-TC 180 N320 3.5 883 Start 159 1.126 Fiocchi L-TC 180 N320 4.1 968 Max 174 1.126 Precision 180 N320 4.4 Accurate 0 L-FP 180 N320 5.3 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyM Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 180 gr Berrys pushed by 3.8 N320 @ 1.16 OAL...130,000 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted September 30, 2011 Share Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) 3.7gr with a Frontier plated or a Montana Gold is around 135pf. I don't have my load data here but I just chrono'd that load this weekend to make sure it was good to go for the PA state IDPA championship. Edited September 30, 2011 by waktasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLoin Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Do you shoot a G35? What spring do you use? I use Titegroup loaded up similarly and getting ~133 PF as well... but it won't cycle/eject with my 13# spring. I've been advised to jack up my loads, and perhaps drop to an 11# spring as well, both of which I'll do to try to eliminate my ejection problems. I use 3.2 grains of n320 behind bbi or bayou coated bullets loaded at 1.135 oal. It works for glocks and sti. Pf is 133. Excellent load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Glad to see Im not the only one having issues with minor loads cycling my G35. Started at 3.6 of N320, then up to 3.8 of N320 still having cycling issues. Up to 4.0 now. Ive even tried reduced power main springs and still having issues. Do you shoot a G35? What spring do you use? I use Titegroup loaded up similarly and getting ~133 PF as well... but it won't cycle/eject with my 13# spring. I've been advised to jack up my loads, and perhaps drop to an 11# spring as well, both of which I'll do to try to eliminate my ejection problems. I use 3.2 grains of n320 behind bbi or bayou coated bullets loaded at 1.135 oal. It works for glocks and sti. Pf is 133. Excellent load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 What PF is that? I'm right at 135pf and never had an issue with cycling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I need to invest in a chrono, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 How low have you gone on springs? I use a 13 for my 180gr minor loads. With the same powder charge, but with a 200gr bullet which makes major, I use a 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Ive used 13 and ll on the 3.6 loads. Even cut a couple of coils out. Went down to 13 on the 3.8 loads and still wasnt reliable. Its not doing it on every round, but getting 3-5 failurs during an IDPA match. A buddy of mine runs 3.6 N320 out of a G35 with no problems. If I shoot from retention the problem realy shows up, obviously a weaker grip. I dont think my two hand grip is the issue as I shot plenty of minor loads from my G22 with no issues. I should add 180GR PD bullets, OAL 1.125 Edited October 5, 2011 by cgrivois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Weird. My load is 3.7gr at 1.135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLoin Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Do you case gauge your ammo? That was suggested to me as a potential reason as to why my G35 won't cycle on small loads. Since we seem to be having similar problems, here's a link to the thread that I started a couple of days ago, asking for help from the BEnos forums guys on why my brass wasn't ejecting: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=137243&st=0 The 11# spring I ordered should arrive by around Saturday. I'll let you know if it works. Chers. Glad to see Im not the only one having issues with minor loads cycling my G35. Started at 3.6 of N320, then up to 3.8 of N320 still having cycling issues. Up to 4.0 now. Ive even tried reduced power main springs and still having issues. Do you shoot a G35? What spring do you use? I use Titegroup loaded up similarly and getting ~133 PF as well... but it won't cycle/eject with my 13# spring. I've been advised to jack up my loads, and perhaps drop to an 11# spring as well, both of which I'll do to try to eliminate my ejection problems. I use 3.2 grains of n320 behind bbi or bayou coated bullets loaded at 1.135 oal. It works for glocks and sti. Pf is 133. Excellent load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLoin Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 What kind of failures do you experience? Feeding issues? Not extracting? Not ejecting? Ive used 13 and ll on the 3.6 loads. Even cut a couple of coils out. Went down to 13 on the 3.8 loads and still wasnt reliable. Its not doing it on every round, but getting 3-5 failurs during an IDPA match. A buddy of mine runs 3.6 N320 out of a G35 with no problems. If I shoot from retention the problem realy shows up, obviously a weaker grip. I dont think my two hand grip is the issue as I shot plenty of minor loads from my G22 with no issues. I should add 180GR PD bullets, OAL 1.125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 yes I drop them all in a case guage. Do you case gauge your ammo? That was suggested to me as a potential reason as to why my G35 won't cycle on small loads. Since we seem to be having similar problems, here's a link to the thread that I started a couple of days ago, asking for help from the BEnos forums guys on why my brass wasn't ejecting: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=137243&st=0 The 11# spring I ordered should arrive by around Saturday. I'll let you know if it works. Chers. Glad to see Im not the only one having issues with minor loads cycling my G35. Started at 3.6 of N320, then up to 3.8 of N320 still having cycling issues. Up to 4.0 now. Ive even tried reduced power main springs and still having issues. Do you shoot a G35? What spring do you use? I use Titegroup loaded up similarly and getting ~133 PF as well... but it won't cycle/eject with my 13# spring. I've been advised to jack up my loads, and perhaps drop to an 11# spring as well, both of which I'll do to try to eliminate my ejection problems. I use 3.2 grains of n320 behind bbi or bayou coated bullets loaded at 1.135 oal. It works for glocks and sti. Pf is 133. Excellent load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Feeding issues, looks like the slide not comming all the way back, catching the round around the webbing witch strips the round from the mag, but screws the angle up and will not feed. Or not ejecting, not like a stove pipe, but get trapped between face of the slide and the chamber, almost like the slide not comming back far enough for the brass to clear. What kind of failures do you experience? Feeding issues? Not extracting? Not ejecting? Ive used 13 and ll on the 3.6 loads. Even cut a couple of coils out. Went down to 13 on the 3.8 loads and still wasnt reliable. Its not doing it on every round, but getting 3-5 failurs during an IDPA match. A buddy of mine runs 3.6 N320 out of a G35 with no problems. If I shoot from retention the problem realy shows up, obviously a weaker grip. I dont think my two hand grip is the issue as I shot plenty of minor loads from my G22 with no issues. I should add 180GR PD bullets, OAL 1.125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLoin Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I'm no expert, but based on your input and on what I've been advised over the past few days on that thread I shared with you, I'm under the impression that you have (a) a limp wrist issue since you have both feeding and ejection issues, ( b ) too low PF ammo, or ( c ) both a and b . It could be (a): Too long OAL could cause some of the feeding issues, and a weak recoil spring / too low a power factor could cause ejection issues. Given that you have both issues and given that your load seems pretty decent already, it could be a limp wrist thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limp_wristing Have other folks shot your gun and your ammo? Do they encounter the same problems? If so, then it's probably (a). It could be ( B ): too weak ammo. Do you encounter the same problems when you shoot major / factory ammo? If not, then you might just need to jack up the powder more (though 3.8 N320 seems pretty healthy to me). Feeding issues, looks like the slide not comming all the way back, catching the round around the webbing witch strips the round from the mag, but screws the angle up and will not feed. Or not ejecting, not like a stove pipe, but get trapped between face of the slide and the chamber, almost like the slide not comming back far enough for the brass to clear. What kind of failures do you experience? Feeding issues? Not extracting? Not ejecting? Ive used 13 and ll on the 3.6 loads. Even cut a couple of coils out. Went down to 13 on the 3.8 loads and still wasnt reliable. Its not doing it on every round, but getting 3-5 failurs during an IDPA match. A buddy of mine runs 3.6 N320 out of a G35 with no problems. If I shoot from retention the problem realy shows up, obviously a weaker grip. I dont think my two hand grip is the issue as I shot plenty of minor loads from my G22 with no issues. I should add 180GR PD bullets, OAL 1.125 Edited October 5, 2011 by SirLoin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLoin Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Just read this thread, and it really sounds like it's a limp wrist problem that's causing your feeding/ejection issues: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291665 Ive used 13 and ll on the 3.6 loads. Even cut a couple of coils out. Went down to 13 on the 3.8 loads and still wasnt reliable. Its not doing it on every round, but getting 3-5 failurs during an IDPA match. A buddy of mine runs 3.6 N320 out of a G35 with no problems. If I shoot from retention the problem realy shows up, obviously a weaker grip. I dont think my two hand grip is the issue as I shot plenty of minor loads from my G22 with no issues. I should add 180GR PD bullets, OAL 1.125 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Full power loads perform flawlessly, I shoot 130pf rounds in my G22 with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirLoin Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Same situation I have: no problems with high PF rounds. To fix it, I'm jacking up my loads and, to use up the loads I've already made, I've ordered an 11# spring -- I'll let you know if that solves the problem (should know this weekend). Long term though, I want to stick with a 13# spring so will load higher. It's possible you're experiencing ( c ): not enough PF for your spring exacerbated by a limp wrist. I really suggest you let someone else shoot your G35 (not the G22) to see if the cycling/ejection problems continue. If the problems completely stop, then you have a limp wrist issue. If the problems continue, then your PF is too weak. Just my 2 (well, more like 24) cents. Not sure how old the spring is in your G22, but i Full power loads perform flawlessly, I shoot 130pf rounds in my G22 with no issues. Edited October 5, 2011 by SirLoin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu46and2 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 All with VVN320 and various guns, all SVI's. Bullet Powder Weight (Gr.) Gun OAL FPS 200 Gr Bayou 4.0 Unknown 797, 816, 825 200 Gr. Plated 4.7 1.185 846, 852,859 200 gr bayou 4.4 1.22 888,909,915,910 200 gr bayou 4.3 1.22 896,891,883,867,908,894 MG 200 gr 4.9 1.22 872, 873, 870, 862 200 gr bayou 4.0 1.22 824, 836, 835, 814 180 gr plated 4.8 1.25 882, 895, 865, 883, 855, 887 200 gr plated 4.8 1.22 904, 854, 846, 858, 859 200 gr plated 4.8 1.22 880,885,861, 911, 860, 886 180 gr MGCMJ 5.2 Unknown 942, 953,976, 972, 963,958 180 gr MGCMJ 5.2 Unknown 936, 933, 939, 917, 945, 911 180 MGCMJ 5.2 Unknown 974, 985, 986, 962 200 gr MGCMJ 4.9 Unknown 806, 840, 848, 831, 831 200 GR TBW plated 4.7 Unknown 815, 831, 811, 840, 822, 817, 820 180 gr plated 5.0 1.22 905, 918, 924 180 gr plated 5.0 1.22 946, 945, 887, 942, 952 180 gr plated 5.0 1.22 920, 931, 934, 929, 927 180 gr plated 5.1 1.22 914, 912, 914, 936 180 gr plated 5.1 1.22 928, 940, 925, 937, 938 180 gr plated 5.1 1.22 946, 936, 965, 928, 944, 958 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Are you using 10 round magazines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrysho Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Blcksmk, Try this site - www.lapua.com Dig around theres load data for VV powder, when you come up with the data charts print them. Sometimes VV Data is a lil hard to find. If this don't work I will give you another link. Be SAFE, Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgrivois Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) All right as thought my feeding issues are weak loads. I bought a chrono to check rounds so now have some data to go along with assumption, although now Im confused by the data Glock 35. All data is with 180Gr Precision Delta FMJ, CCI SPP, mixed head stamp, 10 shot strings. Only thing that changed was OAL. 3.6gr N320 OAL 1.135 Avg Vel. 585.7 PF 105 1.125 AVG Vel. 637.6 PF 115 3.8gr N320 OAL 1.135 Avg Vel. 658.8 PF 119 1.125 Avg Vel. 656.7 PF 118 4.0gr N320 OAL 1.135 Avg Vel. 703.4 PF 127 1.125 Avg Vel. 696.6 PF 125 My extreme spread were off by quite a bit on some strings, not sure if thats a result of the quality of chrono, light conditions, or my reloading. Seems like all of my velocities are way slower than what others are seeing. I think someone above mentioned 3.7gr of N320 getting them 135PF. I know guns of the same make and model can vary, but that much. Also could different lot numbers of powder give such variance? Shot all above loads out of a G22 and avg velocities dropped slightly as suspected. Ran different weight recoil springs with the above loads, and as suspected, very little change in Avg vel. Edited October 10, 2011 by cgrivois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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