AikiDale Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 One method of scoring in TGO's DMSC is called Enos Scoring. Does this involve a timer or a zabuton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Sorry, thank you... I sent Robbie an email on this, but forgot where this thread was. I knew what he was calling Enos Scoring, but didn't know that I was officially being credited for it. We'd been using it for so long, I wasn't sure who actually "invented" it, or maybe it was a collaborative effort. Anyway, it's now commonly known as "Time Plus," or (god help us ;0 ) the Vickers system. Robbie said we've been using it since we began practicing together, basically just shooting out in the desert, probably around 1980. I suggested we call something more "us," like maybe the "Lenos" system. It started for ease of scoring, which was especially handy "back then," then we quickly realized you could use it to encourage shooting either more points or faster, depending on the desired result of our training. Basically, you add a (previously decided) fixed amount of time for each point dropped on a stage. Typically, .1 or .2 seconds, which simulate an artificial 10 or 5 factor, respectively. I know this is an "old school, sweeping, general statement," but, I've always felt that if IPSC/USPSA would have adopted that system long ago, the sport would have a. Created better shooters. (Especially if .2 was used, across the board.) b. Made the sport more enjoyable and appealing to newcomers as well as veterans because of it's simplicity. c. Created better shooters, more quickly. At the championship level, IPSC is all about shooting good points, quickly - it often takes years for the beginner to even realize the goal, and what order it should be accomplished in. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 On a kinda related note, can someone remind me of the name of the scoring system that requires a target to be "neutralized" to avoid a 10 point penalty, where neutralized was defined to be 5 or greater scored on the target. In other words, one A hit, 2 major peripheral hits or a boat load of minor hits . I think I came across this in a Cooper book back in the dark ages. It came up in conversation last weekend and I can't rememeber the label for this. Anyone? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Paladin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Larry Cazes Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Yup...Shreds right. I have a back issue of american handgunner that has a write up on Paladin system scoring if you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Hmm ... not the term I had in mind ... maybe it was called something different back in the dark ages Oh well, at least I wasn't completely hallucinating ... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Shoulda called it Egret scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 The monthly and annual Single Stack match I run at Rio Salado is designed by TGO, and it is very similar to this. Like BE said it is somewhat like Vickers scoring. We use an IDPA target and score it time plus the points down. If you shoot major it is a half second per point down in the -1 (or C) zone, and in the -3 or (D) zone. For minor it use be full second for each point down, but I am changing that, so a -3 or a (D) won't be so costly. At first it was met with mixed results from the IPSC crowd, but when I made the score card eaiser for them, it has been very favorably received. It forces the shooter to be more accurate. You can't drop to many points and do well in the match. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 thats how GSSF is scored....time plus extra time for any errant shots. the time penalties are a big incentive to slow down and get good hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted May 31, 2004 Share Posted May 31, 2004 Steve, I have a buddy who runs a match with the same scoring. Except he uses your minor scoring for everything. Each point down is a full-second. He also runs it Limited 8 (8 to start, 8 in any mag...no +1 in the pipe). Having a fixed hit factor like that...especially one that favors accuracy so much...really changes the game. I like the variable hit factors we have in USPSA, as well. But, the "plus time" scoring has lots going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 Shoulda called it Egret scoring. Ahhhh... yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Perez Posted June 1, 2004 Share Posted June 1, 2004 On a kinda related note, can someone remind me of the name of the scoring system that requires a target to be "neutralized" to avoid a 10 point penalty, where neutralized was defined to be 5 or greater scored on the target.In other words, one A hit, 2 major peripheral hits or a boat load of minor hits . I think I came across this in a Cooper book back in the dark ages. It came up in conversation last weekend and I can't rememeber the label for this. Anyone? Kevin Was it "Milpark"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 The scoring I was thinking of was the "African Count" (just found by digging through the classic "Cooper on Handguns"!). I didn't get all the details right but I was in the right ball park. That explains why I kept getting stuck on "Mosambique" even though I knew that wasn't right. My brain has a very simple hashing function Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Flex, the match I run (along with KellyN from the 3 gun area) is an flush magazine, so if you want to be scored major, you are limited to 8 rounds in the magazine. If you shoot minor, you could shoot a 9mm or .38 super with 10 rounds. So long as your mag is flush with the bottom of the frame you are fine. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 Steve H i presume you are talking single stack 1911's only in this? I love the time added scoring method USPSA is very complicated to my non mathematic mind. Though i am just now starting to really be able to figure the hit factors in somewhat of a routine manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Steve M, Yes, it is single stack 1911's only. I recently changed the scoring slightly. Each point down for major is .5 seconds added to your time. Each minor point down is .8 seconds added to your time. I am going to try this for a few matches and see how it works. I also made changes to misses and no-shoots, they are 7.5 seconds added to your time. Procedureals are 5 seconds added. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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