Rob Traynham Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Today I shot my first USPSA match. I registered for the production division and shot my M&P 40L. I loaded only 10 rounds in my magazines like the rules stated. At the end of the match I was asked by the match director if I enjoyed my day, which of course I did. Then the conversation turned to what type of pistol I was shooting and I told him. He then stated that I could not shoot the 40S&W in production, only 9mm and 38's. Looking at the rules I see the 38 and 9 listed, but I don't see where it says a stock 40 isn't. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradthegunmaniac Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) You can shoot a 40 your good to go. And you can download to 125 PF if you load your own bullets. Edited September 4, 2011 by bradthegunmaniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Traynham Posted September 4, 2011 Author Share Posted September 4, 2011 Cool, thanks for the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 thats why your rule book is your friend, someone says something stupid like that say, "Oh yeh and what rule number is that ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 This is the list of guns that are legal for production. Note that many .40's and .45's are on the list. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php I did not see the M&P 40L on the list. I assume it has not yet been approved, but if not that should happen soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztecdriver Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 This is the list of guns that are legal for production. Note that many .40's and .45's are on the list. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php I did not see the M&P 40L on the list. I assume it has not yet been approved, but if not that should happen soon. And therein probably is what he was referring to, in that the M&P 40L is not an approved model. The 9L is on there... but not the 40L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim/GA Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) Aztecdriver- that is what I was thinking. Then looked at what OP had said the MD told him and it sure sounds like he was talking about the caliber. I just cannot believe that a MD would think that though. Edited September 5, 2011 by Tim/GA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Bear Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 My first thought was did the OP misunderstand the MD. Was the MD saying 40 is not good for production compared to 9 and 38, with the possibility of suggesting Lim10 as a division if he was going to shoot major PF? I have myself suggested to some new shooters that they might be better off shooting Lim10 rather than Prod for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Traynham Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share Posted September 5, 2011 The MD specifically said that I needed to shoot 9mm, if I wanted to continue to compete in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The MD specifically said that I needed to shoot 9mm, if I wanted to continue to compete in production. There's a subtle difference in meaning between "to compete in production" and "be competitive in production". Most production shooters shoot 9mm since production is scored minor, 9mm provides the lowest recoil and is cheap. 9mm isn't the only route to go though as noted above, there are several other guns which are on the approved list that are not 9mm. Also note that as a counter-example of 9mm being the only way to be competitive: A local shooter here made Master in Production within his first year of shooting with a .40, and loading with a single stage press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 There's a subtle difference in meaning between "to compete in production" and "be competitive in production". Most production shooters shoot 9mm since production is scored minor, 9mm provides the lowest recoil and is cheap. Ummm... no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Today I shot my first USPSA match. I registered for the production division and shot my M&P 40L. I loaded only 10 rounds in my magazines like the rules stated. At the end of the match I was asked by the match director if I enjoyed my day, which of course I did. Then the conversation turned to what type of pistol I was shooting and I told him. He then stated that I could not shoot the 40S&W in production, only 9mm and 38's. Looking at the rules I see the 38 and 9 listed, but I don't see where it says a stock 40 isn't. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks. While your caliber is fine for Production Division, your gun is not on the list of approved Production guns. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php If you want/like to run with 10 rounds, fire that bad boy up in Limited-10 division. And, welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Traynham Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 Being new to the sport, and shooting the equipment that I have, I want to compete in the division that gives me the the best chance to be competitive in. So that being said, and my pistol model not yet on the list of approved production guns, what division would I be best off in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradthegunmaniac Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Limited 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 L10 @ major power factor..... And if you really want to play in Production later, this can be good training in breaking down stages..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There's a subtle difference in meaning between "to compete in production" and "be competitive in production". Most production shooters shoot 9mm since production is scored minor, 9mm provides the lowest recoil and is cheap. Ummm... no. I've been meaning to try .40 loaded to minor.... it's pretty soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 There's a subtle difference in meaning between "to compete in production" and "be competitive in production". Most production shooters shoot 9mm since production is scored minor, 9mm provides the lowest recoil and is cheap. Ummm... no. I've been meaning to try .40 loaded to minor.... it's pretty soft. Very soft indeed. 3.2 of Clay's with a 180 Tc bullet is laughably soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 There's a subtle difference in meaning between "to compete in production" and "be competitive in production". Most production shooters shoot 9mm since production is scored minor, 9mm provides the lowest recoil and is cheap. Ummm... no. I've been meaning to try .40 loaded to minor.... it's pretty soft. Very soft indeed. 3.2 of Clay's with a 180 Tc bullet is laughably soft. LOL! I actually stumbled on the load while shooting with my falling plates league and it was soft that I felt like I was cheating, and I thought that there was no way it would make minor. Maybe I needed to actually chrono that round to see if it does make minor or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Traynham Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 I will be shooting L10 major tomorrow, to check it out. Thanks for the advice everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splashdown Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 That sounds like a good solution for the gun you have. If you're shooting factory ammo, declare Major power factor and go for it. Load the mags to 10. When the gun starts loaded (most of the time) you can have 11 in your first mag so you start with 10 in the mag and one in the chamber. Also, for Limited 10, you are not restricted to the same holster and mag pouch placement as you are in Production. However, if you have conventional kydex gear, this may be the most comfortable place to have them. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow patrol Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 This is the list of guns that are legal for production. Note that many .40's and .45's are on the list. http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-production-gunlist.php I did not see the M&P 40L on the list. I assume it has not yet been approved, but if not that should happen soon. Just sorta feels like not soon enough! I'm anxiously waiting for the 40L I bought to be put on the production list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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