BDH Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I have a pretty rocking home theater setup, and nothing beats Friday night after a long week at work relaxing with a good movie, or better yet, a good concert DVD. Last nights choice was a live performance of one of my all time favorite bands, REM (Perfect Square filmed in Wiesbaden, Germany). Anyway, while I was enjoying their performance, I started wondering if maybe I was inadvertantly supporting an artist that may support gun control. There must be a list (or a website that lists) all the gun contol supporting artists out there. Does anyone know of one? Of course, if REM is on it, then I will either have to go through REM withdrawl, or just decide that maybe denying them the couple of dollars they made off my purchase of their DVD, won't matter anyways (not a good position to be in though)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grassy knoll Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I think Ted Nugent is safe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I think a lot of the vocal gun control spouting off by celebrities is based more on economics than on personal conviction. They're going to do whatever lines their pockets - and being anti-gun is just how they pander to Hollywood power brokers. Public boycotting *will* shut up most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intel6 Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Having seen R.E.M. 4 times live in concert back in the late 80's when they we still R.E.M. (the I.R.S. years) I have asked myself the exact same question. I was kind of torn by it a bit but then realized that is is basically what EricW said. They are basically pandering to a specific group of people. If the only time you hear something is when they have a convienent public forum due to awards or something like that then they are just pandering. If they go out of their way for a cause then you can deduct that it is something more. You have to remember their roots. They came from Athens, GA which I understand is a bit of a liberal/hippie/whatever kind of place. Then they gained their mainstream fame by playing to a college audience which are a pretty liberal type crowd. You should have seen the crowd when they played at UC Berkley with Guadalcanal Diary opening for them back in 86? Neal in AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted May 8, 2004 Author Share Posted May 8, 2004 I appreciate the comments, but let me focus on what I am really looking for.... IS there a website that lists the people that support gun control (with real dollars).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 I appreciate the comments, but let me focus on what I am really looking for.... IS there a website that lists the people that support gun control (with real dollars).... The NRA keeps such a list, don't ask me where. Dillon kindly reprinted it in the Blue Press a couple years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Just in case, make sure you have plenty of Nugent, Aaron Tippin, and the Mandrell Sisters in your collection in case you have some stuff from the "bad" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 Just to play Devil's Advocate here, I will also ask if this should be extended to all artists. What were Mozart, or Mussorsky, or Holst believers in as far as politics go? I say just enjoy your music as you like the sound of it and let a few things go in life. IMHO, music is to be just plain enjoyed no matter what it is if you like it. It's all good, if it works for you. -- Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdj Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 There is this list http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherErik Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 dang thats a long list....its kinda ironic that many of those actors listed there have had roles in shoot em up bang bang movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Good thoughts, BDH! I believe it is a topsy-turvy world where we, as otherwise responsible and free people, allow ourselves to be influcenced by the opinions of travelling minstrels and court jesters. A large percentage of these anti-gun actors, musicans, and comics are total failures at life. If they really want to do some good, why not stop using drugs and glorifying abberant lifestyles. I think you are totally right to be careful about who you support. There are a thousand great bands and undiscovered talents out there. No need to support the mainstream wierdos any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Music is Music folks and if you stop enjoying some, or all of it because of a strange reverse PC attitude, more power to you. Limiting your choices in life is not an easy thing to do and I respect the effort it takes. But I believe I will once again choose a path that is clear, I will choose free will. You know what free will is, it's that little thing that says do what you like no matter what anyone else says, does, or otherwise thinks is best for you. Censor on folks, it's a free country (kinda). BTW, If you stick your head in the sand, you will definitely stop hearing things you don't want to hear because your ears will be full of sand -- Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liota Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Well, Liota will have to find a new cellular company when her contract is up. I had looked at the list before, but forgot who all was on it. No wonder I don't watch much TV. (other than the boredom factor ) Liota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimel Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Egad...gonna have to start shooting without wearing pants too until I can save up $$$ to buy all 511 stuff. I guess I can sew belt loops on my briefs.... Thank goodness warm weather is here. At least I didn't see Hanes and Fruit-of-the-loom on the list.... Perhaps the pants that failed Rhino were Levi's and thus they were showing their anti-gun stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Columbia ought to be OK. Their GRT zip-off pants are great for variable-weather matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Just to play Devil's Advocate here, I will also ask if this should be extended to all artists. What were Mozart, or Mussorsky, or Holst believers in as far as politics go? There are some key differences between a performer whose financial status is affected by our action today and an artist who is long dead and whose work is in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDH Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 kdj, thanks for posting the list, but wow is that ugly!! One thing that just blew me away was on the list of Corporations...... there was a large number of antigun companies that are from the good ole conservative Midwest. I just couldn't believe how many Companies were based in Missouri of all places.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 (edited) There are some key differences between a performer whose financial status is affected by our action today and an artist who is long dead and whose work is in the public domain. Not really. Mozart wrote penny opera (a genre not "Threepenny Opera" by Bertolt Brecht) to make a quick buck and was publicly derided for it by his musical peers and the illuminati' of the time. To this day those pieces are among some of his greatest work. The social commentary embodied in some of these works was controversial in his time and he was called a radical whore for the money he made from it too. He shamelessly promoted himself, drank to excess and dallied around incessantly. Artists go their own ways, and if what they produce is good, it will stand the test of time no matter what is said, or done at the time. http://www.mala.bc.ca/~mcneil/lec/croft.htm Artists speaking their minds is nothing new. We should do them the courtesy of allowing history to be their judge. I am not speaking of the drift to actors, products, services and other non-music related items, I'm just talkin' music here. Music has been and still is most of my life and even though I make a living pushing pixels in the video world now, I once did music for a living, both as a player with and as a technical helper to some very talented individuals (some which you will never hear of, and some that all of you know of). I feel very priveleged to have had some of the very magical musical experiences I have had. Some artists stories are wonderful, some are sad, some are infuriating (in many different ways) and some are just plain baffling, but if they should manage to produce magic, then it should be taken for what it is, a way to rise above the mundane for just a moment. Thanks for listening, it's all any musician asks, no matter what his mouth and manager is saying -- Regards, BTW, BDH, I would never let anything Michael Stipes, Peter Buck and the rest of the band say, or do keep me from enjoying "Stand", or "It's the End of the World As We Know It (And I feel fine)", it's great stuff no matter what. Edited May 9, 2004 by George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr10x Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 This is a long standing subject with me so please bear with me on this. One of the major reasons companies are on the list of supporting gun control issues is that they give money to gun control type organizations. Why do they do that? Mostly becasuse they are asked to by various groups and people that management or owners know. Why do they not give to gun rights and other pro gun causes? Mostly because we, do not ask them to support our issues. It's as plain as that. Most companies do not want to take sides on any particular issue and many will make contributions to both sides if approached properly. We, as gun owners with pro gun ownership views, typically wait for others to step forward to support our causes and issues rather than approaching others to support our causes. This, in my opinion, is the main strategy difference in the two groups. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven t Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 I stopped buying Levis several years back, when I found out about thier policies. I started buying Wrangler jeans at WalMart, they are cheaper last as long (maybe longer) and fit just as well as Levis. I was reading an article in one of the gun rags around that time that reported Wrangler had a booth at the SHOT show. I attempt to not spend any money with any company or entertainer (not that I could care less about most of them) that works against gun rights. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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