minnesota1 Posted May 2, 2004 Share Posted May 2, 2004 On Friday I just received my AA conversion kit for my Glock 17. It looks great, but after I cleaned it I put it on the gun, put in a dummy round and dried fired. I thought I had done something wrong! The trigger pull went from 3.75 lbs to probably 12!! If this is going to be the case I will return the conversion. I wanted something that I could really practice with to master the trigger pull and sight alignment at a cheaper cost. Has anyone heard of anything that can reduce the trigger pull in the conversion without screwing up or reducing out further my current trigger system? I read a lot of threads all over the internet about these kits and no one mentioned this problem with them, that's why it came as such a shock. I asked an armorer who sells them in Dallas and he said that's the way they are because of the conversion from centerfire to rimfire. Any info or leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 2, 2004 Share Posted May 2, 2004 Whoa there cowboy! The trigger pull on the AA conversion should be nearly identical to your stock gun. Something is obviously wrong. My guess is that the problem lies in the striker assembly. My AA conversion had a striker sleeve split in the very beginning and I would guess that is your likely culprit. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Call AA and get the replacement parts you need. Pulling the striker out of the conversion is a no-brainer. All you need is the correct allen wrench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 2, 2004 Share Posted May 2, 2004 I asked an armorer who sells them in Dallas and he said that's the way they are because of the conversion from centerfire to rimfire. That's total horses....ahem!.....incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnesota1 Posted May 2, 2004 Author Share Posted May 2, 2004 I will call AA in the morning and ask them about the striker. So on your conversions it is almost identical, correct? And what that armorer told me is probably incorrect also? I hope so because I really do want it to work out. Thanks, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Sounds like yours has a broken part or something's out of place. Mine was very close to the Vanek 22oz break that was already on my G35. I could tell the difference was: 1. Lack of Charlie's polishing on the AA striker and the AA safety plunger. 2. Stock striker spring instead of 4lb Wolff striker spring. Took care of all that myself. Now the AA breaks at about 26oz. I disassembled the striker assy to polish the whole striker with Flitz and to change the spring. I did NOT disassemble the slide-safety plunger because it's different from Glock and there's no procedure given. Just polished in the slide & cleaned it with brake cleaner. Lubed everything with Slide Glide. This setup will set off CCI Mini-mags, not every other brand though. Mini-mag works the slide the best anyhow and shoots 3/8" at 25yds through my gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnesota1 Posted May 5, 2004 Author Share Posted May 5, 2004 UPDATE: I called AA and they told me the "Tang" was a little to long and to send it back and they would cut it and send it back to me. They were very nice and helpful. I will let everyone know how it works out. Also, Does anyone have any hints on what I can do to maximize the performance of the AA? I see Caspian28r recommends polishing the striker and plunger, and a 4lb striker spring from Wolffe. So what has everyone done to maximize theirs? Thanks, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 Never, ever grease it. Slide Glide is simpy wonderful stuff, but not on the AA conversion. Always run the unit very wet with oil - especially the "ejector" bar that runs back and forth in the slide. Buy about 3X the # of magazines you think you need. You'll really go through the ammo with it. I have a buffing wheel and polished the crap out of everything on mine, which improved the reliability. If you have a bench grinder, it's worth the $10 to go and get a buffing wheel and some rouge to do this at Harbor Freight. Use hot ammo with heavier bullets. I think people are having the best luck with CCI mini mags, although I get decent reliability out of cheapie Rem. bulk ammo. I just can't justify spending double to triple the price on ammo for the few misfires I get. Unlike everything else, I keep my AA very very clean. It just doesn't tolerate being dirty. Keep a bottle of oil on hand at all times. You'll need it after about 200 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 ...what Eric said. I keep mine "wet" and found I could go about 500 or so rounds with the Remington Thunderbolts before it really needed a cleaning. Everything received a polishing and a buffing on it, just like my 34 upper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Oops. I meant to say, "all the trigger parts" lubed with Slide Glide. Or Chip McCormick trigger lube - either one. As they're saying, put OIL on the slide, barrel, locking lugs, etc. I like to use the AA conversion to practice weak-hand-only and I've had no luck getting the gun to function well with anything but CCI MiniMag when doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnesota1 Posted May 11, 2004 Author Share Posted May 11, 2004 Second UPDATE!!!! On Wednesday I sent my firing pin assembly back to Advantage and they cut a little off the "tang". I had it back on MONDAY!!! Talk about fast and great service. I even sent the package to a place a couple of blocks away and they went and got it, fixed it, and sent it back that fast. I put it back in the gun as they said to do and it was amazing! It is almost identical to my regular trigger. Now all I have to do is smooth out some of the parts you guys recommended. The 4 lb. striker spring from wolffe, do you order the one for a glock or some other one? Thanks, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 All reducing the weight of your striker spring will due is induce failures to fire - which is problematic enough with 22 ammunition anyway. I'd say your work is done. Why not just go shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Bob AA is great. Glad you got the great service that I thought they'd give you. I also lean toward "just shoot" with the pull you have now. The AA .22 will never be truly competitive in a .22 bullseye match, so why not use a slightly more challenging pull than your uspsa match gun? If you reeeeeeeeeeeeally wanna clean it up, yes, it's the Glock 4lb striker spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnesota1 Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 For future readers and got the conversion back and have fired it with a bunch of different types of ammo and it has run 100%. It is a lot of fun to shoot and to practice with. I am really glad I got the extra clips! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmon Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 drool, i want one... is this the best conversion, or is the ciener better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 If you go over to GlockTalk , you will find that this question has been asked about a zillon times. Most say the Advantage Arms is best...by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelaw99 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 DOES AA MAKE HI-CAP MAGS FOR THRE CONVERSION? I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE THEY MADE HI-CAP FOR POLICE AND EXPORT????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnesota1 Posted September 18, 2004 Author Share Posted September 18, 2004 drool, i want one...is this the best conversion, or is the ciener better? Mine is complaint free and I did study it out on the net and the overwhelming consensus was that it was far superior to the ciener. Plus the ciener's rear sight is part of the slide and not adjustable. The AA's is a glock white outline rear with the white dot front sight. So when you practice you are looking down the same sights you would if you shoot stock adj. sights from glock! My Dad and his friend both tried mine out and liked it so much they are both ordering one. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnesota1 Posted September 18, 2004 Author Share Posted September 18, 2004 DOES AA MAKE HI-CAP MAGS FOR THRE CONVERSION? I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE THEY MADE HI-CAP FOR POLICE AND EXPORT????? Joe, If you find some anywhere let us know--especially if you try them and they function reliably. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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