DFinan Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 (edited) So next Sunday, I shoot my first match where there are low ports to shoot from. Whats the safest way to get down to the port and backup again without sweeping ones self or breaking any other saftey rules. Any pros out there have any suggestions, particularly what to practice between now and then? Edited May 22, 2011 by DFinan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Bear Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Whats the safest way to get down to the port and backup again without sweeping ones self or breaking any other saftey rules. Any pros out there have any suggestions, particularly what to practice between now and then? By keeping the pistol downrange of your body, keeping the pistol pointed downrange (180 rule) and not covering yourself with your muzzle. I make no claims of being "a pro", but a way to go to the rollover prone (aka the way I do it): 1. Stop and plant your firing side foot. Pistol is pointed downrange, trigger finger on frame. 2. Go to kneeling position, with firing side knee on ground. Pistol and support hand move forward as shoulders descend. Pistol pointed directly downrange, trigger finger on frame, support hand even with or behind pistol. 3. Support hand plants on ground and controls descent of torso. Firing arm begins to extend, pistol moving forward, pointed downrange, trigger finger on frame. 4. As shoulders descend to ground, roll onto firing side shoulder (with firing arm fully extended towards target, trigger finger on frame). As your eye moves behind your sights, position your support side thigh. (Lift your support knee toward your shoulder until the thigh is perpendicular to your torso. Place the sole of your support side foot against your firing side knee, or place the inside of the support foot flat on the ground directly behind the knee). Move your support hand forward to assume a two-handed firing grip. 5. Your cheek is on your bicep and your eye is behind the sights in the rollover prone. Support hip is off the ground (propped up by support thigh); you can breath/gasp with minimum disruption of sight picture. Engaging targets to the 12 o'clock, your head is pointed to the 1 o'clock and your feet are pointed to the 7 o'clock (right handed firer).Engage your targets. Movement from Step 1, into Step 2, to 3, to 4 should be one continuous motion. Getting up (aka the tricky part): 1. Place support palm on ground near chest/pectoral/ribs. Move support side knee and support foot towards firing side knee/foot. Pistol is pointed downrange at targets, trigger finger on frame. 2. Roll bodyweight to support side shoulder as you bring your firing side thigh perpendicular to your torso. With trigger finger on frame, begin to retract firing hand/arm. The pistol must stay pointed downrange, and remain downrange of (or "above") your head/face. 3. Pushing with support arm/hand and firing side knee, begin to rise to a hands & knees position. If necessary, place firing hand (edge of hand or back of hand) on ground to help push torso off ground. Pistol is pointed downrange, trigger finger on frame. 4. Bring support side knee up (between support hand and firing knee). Pistol remains pointed downrange, downrange of your face, trigger finger on frame. 5. With both knees and both feet contacting the ground, you are know in a kneeling position, with the pistol in front of your torso, pointed downrange, trigger finger on frame. Transition to your next shooting position, or Unload, Show Clear, Holster as necessary. What to practice: getting down behind the sights, getting up again. Practice it dry in the living room to figure out what movements your body likes (or at least tolerates). It helps to see pictures and video: Max Michael Todd Jarrett. He refers to the rollover prone as the "45-degree prone" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubrA-YDO5fM Previous discussion: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=113292 Described differently (see post 14): http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240612 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 It is very rare to have to get up on the clock. I would go to great lengths to avoid it. For getting down, the Expert Ninjer Drop is an advanced technique that is very fast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_ZZd6YLCw0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanky Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 That looks like it might have hurt a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 That looks like it might have hurt a little. Ahhhh Grasshopper, do not confuse the "ooooffff" by the Ninjer with pain. It is part of the advanced technique called a Kiai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 If your name is Henning you just squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerTrace Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 That looks like it might have hurt a little. That looked like a broken rib to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKT1106 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Don't try to be the fastest if you are worried about dropping to the ground. What I tell people who ask me is to be dileberate and methodical in their movements, even if it means slowing down. Safety is the number one concern for everyone. It doesn't matter if you only take .2seconds to drop down if you have an AD that goes over the berm and gets you DQ'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Hefta Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ninjer???... perhaps Beverly Hills Ninjer..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyNo! Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 That looks like it might have hurt a little. Ahhhh Grasshopper, do not confuse the "ooooffff" by the Ninjer with pain. It is part of the advanced technique called a Kiai. I bet you shot a faster stage from getting down that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 That looks like it might have hurt a little. Ahhhh Grasshopper, do not confuse the "ooooffff" by the Ninjer with pain. It is part of the advanced technique called a Kiai. I bet you shot a faster stage from getting down that fast. Nope... After his Ninjer Flounder-Flop he spent too much time marveling at his continued capability to breathe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 That looks like it might have hurt a little. Ahhhh Grasshopper, do not confuse the "ooooffff" by the Ninjer with pain. It is part of the advanced technique called a Kiai. I bet you shot a faster stage from getting down that fast. Nope... After his Ninjer Flounder-Flop he spent too much time marveling at his continued capability to breathe. Ahhh Rotund one.. Suit you not, jealousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyroWebs Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 That was great! From now on I'll be reminded of that on every stage with a prone position. Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordonhurd Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 the Expert Ninjer Drop AKA the tactical belly flop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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