Get command of...

[benos]

I think this quote is in the forum somewhere, but I thought it deserved it's own thread.

The point of tournament golf is to get command of a swing which, the more pressure you put on it, the better it works.

-Ben Hogan

[Chris iliff]

I'm finding the more WH pressure the better everything is for me. But, I'm not sure what Hogan is referring to A's I don't golf. Is it grip pressure?

[benos]

I'm finding the more WH pressure the better everything is for me. But, I'm not sure what Hogan is referring to A's I don't golf. Is it grip pressure?

To me, by "swing," he means the combination of your draw stroke and your Index shooting position. including all physical positions and muscle tensions in every part of your body.

Or in other words, the more pressure you are under the more consistently your sights should track.

be

[Ronnie j]

I think you'd have to say it's our entire technique , our index , how we move , how we manipulate the trigger. Once you have "good" technique the harder you push the faster you go.

[Flexmoney]

I took it to mean your "swing" should be such...that it works well under mental pressure. (by it's very fundamental makeup)

[Sam]

I'm not a golfer, so I may be taking the quote entirely out of context. I interpret it to mean that the shooter has such excellent command of their focus of attention, that pressure only causes one to become more focused.

[Sam]

In the physical realm, pressure is a form of stored energy. Energy is often defined as "heat" or the ability to do work. The ability to direct or command pressure in the direction one wishes it to go is essential to modern society. Think of the pipelines that transport water and natural gas and the electrical lines that carry electromotive force.

Mental pressure, or mind pressure is what we often deal with at shooting matches. Is this "mental pressure" related to mechanical energy?

Studies have shown that Tibetain Monks, while in a meditative state, have generated enought heat from their bodies to dry wet cloths placed on their backs.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

It seems that some people are able to command the mental\spiritual pressure to ilicit an outcome in the physical realm.

The point is this: It takes special equipment to command high pressure. This is why propane tanks for the barbie aren't made like Ziplock bags. When the high pressure arrives, like when we're shooting for all the marbles, we had better have a skill set that can contain that pressure. Otherwise, somthin' is bound to come.... from together.

[Downrange58]

I'm finding the more WH pressure the better everything is for me. But, I'm not sure what Hogan is referring to A's I don't golf. Is it grip pressure?

To me, by "swing," he means the combination of your draw stroke and your Index shooting position. including all physical positions and muscle tensions in every part of your body.

Or in other words, the more pressure you are under the more consistently your sights should track.

be

Being a former 2 handicapper in golf and a semi-well read person on Ben Hogan... I think you nailed it Brian! Ben Hogan was a mediocre pro at best (by his own admission I believe!) until he discovered a swing that he claims NEVER once failed him under pressure. Please don't read this to say he never lost or or blew a shot by any means! What it means to me is that when he was playing well enough to be in contention, his swing would get even better as the pressure mounted and his results pretty much prove this to be true.. He had a basic fundamental swing (grip for our purposes) that improved as the pressure of competition mounted.

[benos]

I'm finding the more WH pressure the better everything is for me. But, I'm not sure what Hogan is referring to A's I don't golf. Is it grip pressure?

To me, by "swing," he means the combination of your draw stroke and your Index shooting position. including all physical positions and muscle tensions in every part of your body.

Or in other words, the more pressure you are under the more consistently your sights should track.

be

Being a former 2 handicapper in golf and a semi-well read person on Ben Hogan... I think you nailed it Brian! Ben Hogan was a mediocre pro at best (by his own admission I believe!) until he discovered a swing that he claims NEVER once failed him under pressure. Please don't read this to say he never lost or or blew a shot by any means! What it means to me is that when he was playing well enough to be in contention, his swing would get even better as the pressure mounted and his results pretty much prove this to be true.. He had a basic fundamental swing (grip for our purposes) that improved as the pressure of competition mounted.

I'm finding the more WH pressure the better everything is for me. But, I'm not sure what Hogan is referring to A's I don't golf. Is it grip pressure?

Or in other words, the more pressure you are under the more consistently your sights should track.

be

I wish I'd thought of that when I was still competing!

[t0066jh]

Being a former 2 handicapper in golf and a semi-well read person on Ben Hogan... I think you nailed it Brian! Ben Hogan was a mediocre pro at best (by his own admission I believe!) until he discovered a swing that he claims NEVER once failed him under pressure. Please don't read this to say he never lost or or blew a shot by any means! What it means to me is that when he was playing well enough to be in contention, his swing would get even better as the pressure mounted and his results pretty much prove this to be true.. He had a basic fundamental swing (grip for our purposes) that improved as the pressure of competition mounted.

+1 on this one.

Every shooter has his own unique draw, grip, stance, posture. The best shooters are the ones who most consistently and quickly break the shot when the sights are properly aligned. Likewise, every golfer has their unique grip, stance, posture, backswing, downswing and follow thru. The best are the ones that can consistently strike the ball such that it consistently goes to the target. Now add the pressure of the competition and both games become more mental than their physical side. Just MHO.

Joe

Edited August 13, 2011 by Flexmoney
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[Standby!]

To me it means if you stick to fundamentals, pressure is irrelevant. If your focus is on the task at hand, rather than the outcome, then you've done your best.