bluenite Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 8.5 Movement 8.5.1 Except when the competitor is actually aiming or shooting at targets, all movement (see Appendix A3) must be accomplished with the fingers visibly outside the trigger guard and the safety should be engaged. Question: what to do if you see someone shooting a 1911 and not using the safety when running from one box to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driver8M3 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 finger- "must" safety- "should" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Should and must are not the same in that sentence. Fingers must be outside the trigger guard, but safety should be engaged. The safety is just a strong suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Ive caught myself flippin my safety on for long runs, i dont really know why. subconscious safety habit? as stated. Its a recommended, but not mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_M Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Misunderstood the question, sorry. Edited April 19, 2011 by Will_M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcic Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 8.5 Movement 8.5.1 Except when the competitor is actually aiming or shooting at targets, all movement (see Appendix A3) must be accomplished with the fingers visibly outside the trigger guard and the safety should be engaged. Question: what to do if you see someone shooting a 1911 and not using the safety when running from one box to another. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitedog Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Must-Have to Should-Not mandatory,but recommended Hence, I would do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger10k Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Wow, I have never heard of this one. Does anyone engage their safety while moving? I know I have done it once or twice without thinking, but I certainly don't make a habit of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe4d Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 BOD really needs to delete that one, verbs like should,shouldn't, encouraged discouraged, etc dont belong in our rule book, rules are rules, definitive verbs like can,cant, will, wont, shall, shant should be used. If a competitor should or shouldnt do something then it isnt a rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenite Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) So from a RO stand point you don't watch to see if it is being done or not. Thank you Edited April 20, 2011 by bluenite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro-Pain Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Wow, I have never heard of this one. Does anyone engage their safety while moving? I know I have done it once or twice without thinking, but I certainly don't make a habit of it. My safeties are engaged all the time when I'm not actively shooting. But then again, I shoot a Glock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 BOD really needs to delete that one, verbs like should,shouldn't, encouraged discouraged, etc dont belong in our rule book, rules are rules, definitive verbs like can,cant, will, wont, shall, shant should be used. If a competitor should or shouldnt do something then it isnt a rule. So the part where: - steel "should" be kept away by a physical barrier will become "must"? So there will have to be a low wall or port in front of steel? The Hillbillton drill classifier will be thrown out as illegal. - calibration ammo "should" be between 115 and 125 PF and 9mm will become "must"? So pulling the first person shooting 9mm factory ammo to challenge steel will become a no-no? - target placement "should" be clearly marked and securely fixed will become "must"? Clubs who shoot indoors must markup their range floor, and or glue/nail down the target stands? - safety areas "should" come equipped with tables and clearly marked boundaries? Now there MUST be a table at a safety area and there MUST be a boundary? - etc. I think that the rulebook provides enough leeway to allow clubs operate in a manner without imposing too much of burden on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhs Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 - calibration ammo "should" be between 115 and 125 PF and 9mm will become "must"? So pulling the first person shooting 9mm factory ammo to challenge steel will become a no-no? Bad example. Pulling the first person shooting factory 9mm for a calibration shot already is a no-no unless that individual gun and ammo combination have been tested and approved by the RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carter Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 IIRC in the early days it was a rule that your thumb safety had to be engaged when you moved more than a couple of steps. We practiced finger in safety off, finger out safety on, until it was automatic. I think it was changed to read should be because of the dificulty RO's had determing if a competitior did actually have his thumb safety engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Texas Granny Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Must-Have to Should-Not mandatory,but recommended Hence, I would do nothing. If engaging the safety is not mandatory then why is it in the rules in the first place. All it can do is open it up to individual interpretation of the rule which rules are supposed to prevent in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Must-Have to Should-Not mandatory,but recommended Hence, I would do nothing. If engaging the safety is not mandatory then why is it in the rules in the first place. As guidance for the competitor, as to what "best practices" are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Never saw that before. The only time my safety is engaged is when I holster the pistol at make ready. I've never engaged it to make movement between positions. My finger is indexed along the frame when not engaging targets. The gun isn't going to go bang without the trigger being pressed. Engaging the safety to make movement would only lead to the possibility/probability of me trying to engage the next array of targets without remembering to disengage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SethML3602 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) I made a dumb post but I understand it now. Maybe I got it deleted before anyone read it cause I really hurt myself by writing all that. For those of you that don't know there is a glossary that tells you what USPSA'S Definition of must, should, shall and other words. I found those when I read the entire rulebook tonight. Edited May 2, 2011 by Obiareus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Wow, I have never heard of this one. Does anyone engage their safety while moving? I know I have done it once or twice without thinking, but I certainly don't make a habit of it. I just ran across it myself and did a search which led to this thread. I suppose that an RO should mention it to the shooter after a COF but as it is only a recommendation there are no penalties for not doing it. IOW, there does not seem to be any upside to doing it and there is no downside to not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 8.5 Movement 8.5.1 Except when the competitor is actually aiming or shooting at targets, all movement (see Appendix A3) must be accomplished with the fingers visibly outside the trigger guard and the safety should be engaged. Question: what to do if you see someone shooting a 1911 and not using the safety when running from one box to another. Design stages without boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenite Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Agreed, 8 shot arrays and a box leaves a 2 shot shortage in my revolver. Leonard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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