band aid Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 HI, I AM CURRENTLY RELOADING FOR 9MM LUGER, USING DILLON 650 PRESS AND N350 VIT POWDER. I AM ALSO USING 124G FRONTIER ROUND NOSE BULLETS. I AM LOADING 5.3 GRAINS OF POWDER AND WOULD WELCOME COMMENTS AS TO THE APPROPRIATE SEATING DEPTH FOR THE BULLETS AS I AM CONSCIOUS OF GETTING THE OAL CORRECT. AT THE MOMENT I WAS PLANNING TO HAVE AN OAL OF 1.1650 WITH CCI PISTOL PRIMERS. WHAT ARE THE CURRENT VIEWS AS TO THE LEVEL OF POWDER I AM USING . ALSO , ALTHOUGH I USE DILLON 9MM DIES I WAS TOLD TO USE LEE U DEPRIMING/SIZING DIE INSTEAD OF THE DILLON ONE. CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY THE DILLON ONE SHOULDNT BE USED AND WHAT IS SO SPECIAL WITH THE LEE U DIE . IS IT LEE THAT EVEN MAKE IT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Why are you yelling? (i.e ALL CAPS...) What gun will these loads shot in? 1.165" AOL may be a little long for a Glock magazine. VV N-350 is a good powder to make Major in 9 x 19, but there are better powders for making Minor. 5.3 gr is a Minor load. If I understand it correctly, the Lee U die will size the case further towards the base. Especially beneficial for some of that once fired brass shot through a Glock. So far, I've not found a need for the Lee die and the Dillon works just fine. Oh, and welcome to the forum. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MI_Packer Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Welcome. You might find the CCI primers are to hard to ignite with a reduced power striker spring - just in case you go that route. I use mostly Federal SP and have had good performance with Winchester SP. You might want to run a rethink the OAL, try a couple searches to see what others are using. I've been running 1.1 to 1.135 depending on the bullet. I use the Lee Factory Crimp die, some like 'em, some don't. Have not tried a U die. Turn off the caps lock and use the shift key as needed. edit to add FCD info. Edited April 19, 2011 by MI_Packer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Can you type louder? I'm a little hard of hearing from shooting..... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=72 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12740 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=126502 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob DuBois Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I shoot for an AOL 1.135 and use the U die. For a Glock or most stock pistols M@P, Sig etc the U die is not needed. When you have a tight aftermarket fitted barrel or a pistol with a tight chamber, Wilson, Baer, STI then the U die comes in play. It will size the brass small enough that it works in tight chambered pistols. While I place Dillon presses on a pedestal far above others I do prefer the Lee sizer. The primer punch is a better design and will usually push up instead of breaking if there's something in the case when it's sized. I had good results using Frontier plated bullets shooting minor. I try and use Winchester primers in auto pistols and Federal in lightened S@W revolvers. I've seen several tuned Glocks that required Federal primers. Enjoy you 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlepig Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Great choice of press, ref OAL, look for magazine length tolerance.... Ref the Dillon vs. Lee U die, you will probably see a 50/50 split of opinion. I use the Dillon and it resizes Glock fired brass just fine to go back into a Glock barrel. The above post that spoke of the potential problems with aftermarket barrels and resizing was well spoken. It also speaks truth as to the Lee edging out the Dillon with the Deprime. I keep some spare Dillon pins on hand. Just try your Dillon to see if it works for your resizing. I just measured some 9mm in the bin and Im running 1.135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro-Pain Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 +1 on the Federal primers if lightened striker. I just tested 400 rounds of different powders/loads/bullets, all with CCI primers and all in a G34 with stock striker and every single one went bang. Haven't tried them with my reduced power striker yet, but have a case of Federal SP's on hand I'm going to run with. What gun are you using? What power factor are you going for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 All caps is hard to read. That is why there is a "shift" key on both sides of the keyboard. I have no idea if the load is safe in your gun. Have you worked up to it or just going to jump in? The COL should be determined by what fits in your magazine and feeds and chambers, starting with a long COL and working down until all three variables are met. That is the COL you should use. Then, you work up your load to find the powder charge that gives you the velocity and accuracy that you want/need. I can tell you what works for me, but it may not work for you. I start with the lowest starting load and work up to where I want to be, watching for any pressure signs. As the following shows, 5.3 could be a starting load or a MAX load--thus I start low and work up. Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Start/Max Power Factor COL Lead Swaged L-RN 124 N350 4.4 900 Start 112 L-SWC 124 N350 4.8 1112 Start 138 L-SWC 124 N350 5.0 Start 0 L-SWC 124 N350 5.1 1168 145 1.083 Swaged L-RN 124 N350 5.2 1050 Max 130 L-SWC 124 N350 5.5 1201 Max 149 Jacketed Hdy XTP, FMJ-FP, FMJ-RN 124 N350 4.4 900 Start 112 Hdy XTP, FMJ-FP, FMJ-RN 124 N350 5.2 1050 Max 130 FMJ-FP 124 N350 5.3 1120 Start 139 RN 124 N350 5.4 Start 0 FMJ 124 N350 5.5 Start 0 FMJ-FP 124 N350 5.6 1138 141 1.083 J-all 124 N350 5.6 1161 Start 144 J-all 120 N350 6.0 1194 143 RN 124 N350 6.0 1216 Max 151 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.0 1222 9mm Major 152 1.145 FMJ 124 N350 6.1 1228 Max 152 1.095 J-all 124 N350 6.1 1232 Max 153 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.2 1242 9mm Major 154 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.4 1277 9mm Major 158 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.6 1321 9mm Major 164 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.8 1357 9mm Major 168 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 7.0 1362 9mm Major 169 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 7.3 1386 9mm Major 172 1.145 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
band aid Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Why are you yelling? (i.e ALL CAPS...) What gun will these loads shot in? 1.165" AOL may be a little long for a Glock magazine. VV N-350 is a good powder to make Major in 9 x 19, but there are better powders for making Minor. 5.3 gr is a Minor load. If I understand it correctly, the Lee U die will size the case further towards the base. Especially beneficial for some of that once fired brass shot through a Glock. So far, I've not found a need for the Lee die and the Dillon works just fine. Oh, and welcome to the forum. Bill Many thanks for your prompt reply. Note... I have stopped yelling . My eyesight isnt what it used to be !! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
band aid Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Welcome. You might find the CCI primers are to hard to ignite with a reduced power striker spring - just in case you go that route. I use mostly Federal SP and have had good performance with Winchester SP. You might want to run a rethink the OAL, try a couple searches to see what others are using. I've been running 1.1 to 1.135 depending on the bullet. I use the Lee Factory Crimp die, some like 'em, some don't. Have not tried a U die. Turn off the caps lock and use the shift key as needed. edit to add FCD info. Mnany thanks for taking the time to reply. Cap lock off ! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
band aid Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 I shoot for an AOL 1.135 and use the U die. For a Glock or most stock pistols M@P, Sig etc the U die is not needed. When you have a tight aftermarket fitted barrel or a pistol with a tight chamber, Wilson, Baer, STI then the U die comes in play. It will size the brass small enough that it works in tight chambered pistols. While I place Dillon presses on a pedestal far above others I do prefer the Lee sizer. The primer punch is a better design and will usually push up instead of breaking if there's something in the case when it's sized. I had good results using Frontier plated bullets shooting minor. I try and use Winchester primers in auto pistols and Federal in lightened S@W revolvers. I've seen several tuned Glocks that required Federal primers. Enjoy you 650. Many thanks for your prompt response. I have taken your points on board and will proceed accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
band aid Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 All caps is hard to read. That is why there is a "shift" key on both sides of the keyboard. I have no idea if the load is safe in your gun. Have you worked up to it or just going to jump in? The COL should be determined by what fits in your magazine and feeds and chambers, starting with a long COL and working down until all three variables are met. That is the COL you should use. Then, you work up your load to find the powder charge that gives you the velocity and accuracy that you want/need. I can tell you what works for me, but it may not work for you. I start with the lowest starting load and work up to where I want to be, watching for any pressure signs. As the following shows, 5.3 could be a starting load or a MAX load--thus I start low and work up. Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Start/Max Power Factor COL Lead Swaged L-RN 124 N350 4.4 900 Start 112 L-SWC 124 N350 4.8 1112 Start 138 L-SWC 124 N350 5.0 Start 0 L-SWC 124 N350 5.1 1168 145 1.083 Swaged L-RN 124 N350 5.2 1050 Max 130 L-SWC 124 N350 5.5 1201 Max 149 Jacketed Hdy XTP, FMJ-FP, FMJ-RN 124 N350 4.4 900 Start 112 Hdy XTP, FMJ-FP, FMJ-RN 124 N350 5.2 1050 Max 130 FMJ-FP 124 N350 5.3 1120 Start 139 RN 124 N350 5.4 Start 0 FMJ 124 N350 5.5 Start 0 FMJ-FP 124 N350 5.6 1138 141 1.083 J-all 124 N350 5.6 1161 Start 144 J-all 120 N350 6.0 1194 143 RN 124 N350 6.0 1216 Max 151 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.0 1222 9mm Major 152 1.145 FMJ 124 N350 6.1 1228 Max 152 1.095 J-all 124 N350 6.1 1232 Max 153 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.2 1242 9mm Major 154 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.4 1277 9mm Major 158 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.6 1321 9mm Major 164 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 6.8 1357 9mm Major 168 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 7.0 1362 9mm Major 169 1.145 Zero JHP 124 N350 7.3 1386 9mm Major 172 1.145 many thanks indeed for your very comprehensive reply. A lot of the materials to which you refer are not readily available here in Ireland, however, there is plenty of info here now for me to get cracking on. Tks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
band aid Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Great choice of press, ref OAL, look for magazine length tolerance.... Ref the Dillon vs. Lee U die, you will probably see a 50/50 split of opinion. I use the Dillon and it resizes Glock fired brass just fine to go back into a Glock barrel. The above post that spoke of the potential problems with aftermarket barrels and resizing was well spoken. It also speaks truth as to the Lee edging out the Dillon with the Deprime. I keep some spare Dillon pins on hand. Just try your Dillon to see if it works for your resizing. I just measured some 9mm in the bin and Im running 1.135. Thanks very much for your prompt reply. I will take your points on board and see how I get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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