lynn jones Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 copied from the IPSC Global Village: Hi guys, I want to seek your input about a new proposal to remove Major scoring from Open Division. This means Open would be Minor scoring only, the same as Production Division. The top reasons are: 1. Open guns are so much easier to shoot, 95% of shots hit the A Zone anyway, which always scores 5 points, Major or Minor. 2. If we abolish Major scoring in Open, many people will convert to 9x19mm, which is easy to supply as Official Match Ammo from mainstream manufacturers (e.g. Winchester, PMC, Federal, S&B, Fiocchi). Still want to BYO? No problem. Knock yourself out. 3. Additionally, the airline 5kgs limit would cease to be a problem for travellers. Whatever ammo you use at home will be available at the match. No need for gun tuning at the range. 4. Guns would last longer and Poppers would not get damaged so easily. 5. Less noise for Range Officers. Rather than having an anonymous poll, I'd rather hear pro and con arguments. I'm wearing my Kevlar, so let's go ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hmm, it would open Open Division to those people who now shoot Production. I have an extra G34, I could just slap a slide mount red dot or a c-more on it, load up my high caps and have a good time. Cost, minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avezorak Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Im not an open shooter but I think its a pretty cool idea. Ive never really seen the point of major in open but thats not saying there isnt one. Seems like it would be pretty awesome to have one load for steel challenge and USPSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 2. If we abolish Major scoring in Open, many people will convert to 9x19mm, which is easy to supply as Official Match Ammo from mainstream manufacturers (e.g. Winchester, PMC, Federal, S&B, Fiocchi). Still want to BYO? No problem. Knock yourself out. Not sure if this is an April 1st joke or not... Would factory 9mm still make 125PF out of a multi-ported open gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I see some pros and cons but #3 is total BS. Just like in production people load their own to get the best performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) How about just dropping the power factor?? I may get flamed for saying this but something like IDPA's ESP division. The gamers division. Edited April 1, 2011 by yoshidaex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Its ok with me. It will force lots of open shooters to be more accurate or get crushed in the points. I can see some grumbling from folks who spent lots of money on very robust open guns who will have to de-tune for the lower PF and will want to modify what they have to keep up with the much lighter guns that will follow in the wake of shooting factory 9mm. For me it would be great, I can sell my full size Major 9 gun and shoot my steel gun for both games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 There maybe issues with #2 in other countries. 9x19 is a NATO/Military/Law Enforcement caliber. Some shooters wouldn't be allowed to use 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 2. If we abolish Major scoring in Open, many people will convert to 9x19mm, which is easy to supply as Official Match Ammo from mainstream manufacturers (e.g. Winchester, PMC, Federal, S&B, Fiocchi). Still want to BYO? No problem. Knock yourself out. Not sure if this is an April 1st joke or not... Would factory 9mm still make 125PF out of a multi-ported open gun? :roflol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorDanO Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I sure hope that's an April Fools joke, as that's a horrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I sincerely hope that if anyone does actually propose this to the USPSA BOD that it's shot down immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) I sure hope that's an April Fools joke, as that's a horrible idea. Vomit I agree Edited April 1, 2011 by GentlemanJim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 If we're going to do this, why not make everything minor only (limited, revo, SS)? I mean, who needs the power part of DVC anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avezorak Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Just curious. Why is this such a horrible idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatsupglock Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 If it's not an April Fool's joke, I say lets do it. If it is an April Fool's joke, I say let's make it happen. I really like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshidaex Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I compare Open division to pinnacle Motorsports racing. F1, Le Mans Prototype P 1 class, MotoGp, etc, etc. Open should be the top of all divisions in anything related to DVC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Why stop at open division? Why not eliminate major for all divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 If we're going to do this, why not make everything minor only (limited, revo, SS)? I mean, who needs the power part of DVC anyway? Yeah, who needs that And lets just give everybody the same score as the winner..so no one feels poorly Gee... Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hello: You can shoot Open 9mm minor now why do we need to change the whole division to minor. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzYooper Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Eric beat me to it. Isn't it a fact you can shoot Open minor now if you want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Hello: You can shoot Open 9mm minor now why do we need to change the whole division to minor. Thanks, Eric Dont try to muddy the water with the FACTS Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centermass Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 (edited) Why stop at open division? Why not eliminate major for all divisions? Why not just one scoring matrix for all divisions? It doesn't make sense to me to have separate scoring anyway. You're scored against whomever is shooting in your division; it's the rules and regulations of the divisions that matter, not the method of scoring. Really, why the difference? Edited April 1, 2011 by centermass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Screw the whole thing! Let's just point our fingers and say BANG! Let's make this sport as cheap and easy for EVERYONE! Oooo... we have the technology to run advanced laser tag, no more stinky, loud, DaNgErOus bullets to w o r r y about! It would be GREEN and Eco friendly Yea thats it everybody...pinkies in the air, aren't we sweet, happy smiley people. Don't forget the date! Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I am just waiting for the fist fights to erupt Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfchorn Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 Or we could hold our matches online in a virtual world. Screw this running around and sweating stuff. Gotta' get my thumbs in shape for the control pad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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