DocMedic Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 After SMM3G I was surprise on how many of the top shooters had some sort of rear sight on their shotguns, Either installed on vent rib barrels or installed ones like the FN SLP. While I understand the concept of having a clear Vent-Rib Barrel for sporting clays, I'm lost in the concept of its purpose for 3gun. I think the far slug target at SMM3G may had been 50 yards, So I'm not sure if rear sights would have been faster or a hindrance, but at RM3G last year there were a couple of them that just ate my lunch and no matter what I did I couldn't hit them. (ran a Benelli vent-rib.) So I ended up having to take the no hit penalties. I was just wondering whats everyones opinions about having them vs not needing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I have tried the 10/22 rear and the XS rear. I like it better without. I currently have a hole drilled into the rear of my VR. It is filled in with white paint. I use it help aid in alignment for precision slug shooting. It seems to work pretty well for windage. I need to take some pictures of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I think you have your answer in the first line of your original post. if it wasn't worth it they wouldn't have it. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Let me state, that I have always disliked slugs. However, after seeing the setups spoken about, and some photos here, I installed a 10-22 sight on my Benelli. I had to make a riser for the HiViz Comp front, because reduced recoil slugs shot high. A couple weeks ago, I shot a local match that had full size poppers at 95 yards. I took 3 shots for the 2 poppers at that distance. Without the rear sight to give me a fairly decent sight picture, I probably would have chucked a couple down range to avoid a failure to engage and taken misses. Did I mention, I don't like slugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan 45 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Dan, slugs aren't always bad. The slug shoot-house at Benning this past year was awesome! Farthest target was about 15', closest was almost in contact w/ the muzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Dan, slugs aren't always bad. The slug shoot-house at Benning this past year was awesome! Farthest target was about 15', closest was almost in contact w/ the muzzle. Bryan, I'm learning to embrace them. In all honesty, they don't have any more recoil than the shot loads I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 That match maybe 50 yards.. but they get further and smaller... I shoot clays without even noticing the sights, when you need them you just alter your focus and get a sight picture. With sights I can get a nice small group at 50, and hit what I'm aiming at at 100yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.E. Kelley Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I have little problem with slugs but I am a sight-in-vent-rib guy. I also shot several rounds of 5 stand while I was there and I don't think the sights got in the way of breaking 20,21,20. Shot the Clays course too and everything I used good technique on...got hammered! Use sights when you need then ignore them when you don't. Works for me Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkoenig Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm sure it varies from one shooter to the next, but personally I can't hit anything with slugs without some form of rear sight. I'm not even on paper at 25 yards. I'm sure that's a deficiency on my part and would get better with more practice, but for me it was easier to install 10/22 sights. With the rear flipped down it doesn't slow me down at all on poppers or plates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Ho Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Don't know if this should be a new thread but if you don't run a rear sight, what do you do. Jessi's idea sounds good, what are some other methods of running a front sight only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 with an XS rear sight you do not need to alter your front sight. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 with an XS rear sight you do not need to alter your front sight. trapr That XS setup is nice! I might need to try it again. When I tried the first time my barrel was shooting 18" low and 6" left at 100. i think I might like it more now that I can use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmtnbiker33w Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm a newbie competitor, but not a newbie shooter. I ran the gold bead on a new shotgun in my first 3-gun match and had a difficult time getting down on the vent in order to get the slugs to hit where I needed them. I put on some Williams Universal sights immediately after the match. On my 20" barrel they don't have much of a sight radius, but they are really easy to acquire. I'm much more confident when going to hit something with a $1 slug round. Anything needing shot I just cover up with the sight and pull the trigger. I'm loving them and can't wait for my next multi-gun match shotgun stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSiess Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I have no rear sight on my shotgun and sight down the vent rib on a Benny Benelli M1. I just make sure the vent rib is flat and the front fiber is on the target. Knowing holdovers is key, but good hits are def possible without a rear sight. Center the front fiber over a flat vent rib. faster or slower, thats up to you. But it can be done. Ive used the B&P low recoil slugs in practice to 150 on poppers with decent results. Good luck with whatever you use. -N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 with an XS rear sight you do not need to alter your front sight. trapr Trapr, I saw the photos of your XS sights, after I had cut the rib for the 10-22 sights. Not to mention I had the sights kicking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) with an XS rear sight you do not need to alter your front sight. trapr Trapr, I saw the photos of your XS sights, after I had cut the rib for the 10-22 sights. Not to mention I had the sights kicking around. I got my XS sight with Trapr's help and did the sight grove "file adjustment" and thin rounded off the out side edges. I like it my new 21" will go to Benny to have the XS put on it too, Before I drive 1,000 miles to a match. Although I am not a top shooter, Edited March 31, 2011 by AlamoShooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Smith Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 OK, I give up. The only 10-22 sights I can find on the interweb are for Ruger 10/22's and the only shotgun sights XS lists are ghost ring sights. Can anyone help a guy out and provide some links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Sierpina Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 OK, I give up. The only 10-22 sights I can find on the interweb are for Ruger 10/22's and the only shotgun sights XS lists are ghost ring sights. Can anyone help a guy out and provide some links? Here's the link for the sights Trapr has. http://xssights.com/store/specialty.html The 10-22 sights I used were off of a 10-22 barrel. Marble's makes them. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=8817/Product/FLAT_TOP_FOLDING_LEAF_SIGHT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Tischauser Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Although I am not a top shooter, I should have also given this disclaimer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ammo Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Although I am not a top shooter, I should have also given this disclaimer. Both of you guys!!!! :sick: you guys seem to do OK<<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXMXRACER Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Has anyone ever played around with a middle bead on a vent rib? I have a 24 in vent rib barrel on a FN that I am just starting to play with. It has a Ivory bead on the front which seems to work ok but nothing on the rear. It is already drilled and tapped for a middle bead and just wondered if a small bead might be a viable option for aiming slugs. shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxD Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Has anyone ever played around with a middle bead on a vent rib? I have a 24 in vent rib barrel on a FN that I am just starting to play with. It has a Ivory bead on the front which seems to work ok but nothing on the rear. It is already drilled and tapped for a middle bead and just wondered if a small bead might be a viable option for aiming slugs. shane Shane, I just had a middle bead installed on my 24" Extrema. You will want the smallest available. Just stack them like a straight 8 Heine at 100yds. Center the small one 50% high in the bigger front at 50yds. COM hold. Fast and seems to work well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomfab Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) I don't use a rear sight for slugs. I see no reason to if you select slugs that hit POA. 95% of slug shots are gimme shots on paper or big steel within 60 yards. A few slug shots at RM3G and the Ironman can be a challenge though. Edited March 31, 2011 by boomfab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeslade Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Don't know if this should be a new thread but if you don't run a rear sight, what do you do. Jessi's idea sounds good, what are some other methods of running a front sight only? If your barrel is straight, front sight only. If it isn't, probably need a rear sight. I have had both. Prefer the plain vent rib with fiberoptic front sight-like a HiViz Sparc (7.00) at Brownells. For shots past 75 yds I think full power slugs are the way to go. Disintegrator Slugs by Remington are awesome and are 7/8 oz at 1600 ft/sec. Put the front sight dead to about forty yards, then move up the target as the distance increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Bacus Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 My 1100 Competition Master has a fiber optic front sight and a mid bead. If I put the fiber optic directly on top of the mid bead it hits dead on with Winchester Ranger LE RR slugs at 50 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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