WildWest N AZ Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 So I’ve had three different AR's from three different companies and 2 have been junk and wouldn’t run, and third ran great but the fit and finish was bad. I’ve spent a great deal of time reading mags, reviews, and even joined a all AR forum. I know I know I can’t believe I did the Ar forum either. What I’m wanting is on the tactical side of things, defense, and some 3 gun from time to time. I’ve come down to 2 makers Larue, and Noveske both are known for being tough, reliable, and offering great accuracy. Other than having a great barrel noveske seems to be very pricey and really only runs other company parts and for that price nothing more than mil-spec trigger and bad mil-spec finish come with the rifle. With Larue offering a bit more for a couple hundred bucks less. I’m not concerned about the price here, I’m more concerned about getting the most, and more importantly a rifle that I know will run with out question if ever needed. Any insight on these two would be great, Thanks WWNAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Rob Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 If I had to choose right now I'd go with Noveske, and I'd make sure I got their new Forged Lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstroyed Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I have never been around a Noveske so I cannot comment or compare. I do have some experience with the LaRue Stealth uppers. You didn’t say if you were looking at uppers or OBRs. My son shoots a LaRue 18 inch Stealth upper with a Benny Hill comp. Very flat shooting and accurate with anything he runs through it. I have a 16 inch Stealth upper. I had a Surefire comp and now a AAC comp for a suppressor. My gun does not shoot as flat but I like the size. My gun likes heavier bullets. We have never had an issue with either upper. We do not clean them much and probably run them drier than we should. We have shot almost 3K Wolf through them and no issues. Wolf 55 and 63 grain out to 500 at matches has not been an issue in the past. I run a Laure lower. The fit is much tighter than any other AR lower we have. Don’t know that it helps anything but it is nice just because I like it. I don’t know much, I hope I helped some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybomb Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Both are good guns but for my money I would take the Noveske. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofe954 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I'll be the jerk that answers the "this or this" question with a that- Maybe call JP rifles? They do make some less competition oriented rifles that are in or a little less than the price range you're looking at. I think if you called them up and told them exactly what you wanted you'd get it. I don't own one but have seen a few and they are definitely nice. I think you are in can't lose territory though with any of the above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 you may want to look at LOKI too www.lokiweapnsystems.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 J.P. Enterprises is now making a L.E./Patrol type rifle line. I would sure consider them before others. No one knows AR,s like J.P. and they build the best for the money. KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike cyrwus Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 you may want to look at LOKI too www.lokiweapnsystems.com I just got an upper/lower receiver from them, and Im impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskapopo Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) So Ive had three different AR's from three different companies and 2 have been junk and wouldnt run, and third ran great but the fit and finish was bad. Ive spent a great deal of time reading mags, reviews, and even joined a all AR forum. I know I know I cant believe I did the Ar forum either. What Im wanting is on the tactical side of things, defense, and some 3 gun from time to time. Ive come down to 2 makers Larue, and Noveske both are known for being tough, reliable, and offering great accuracy. Other than having a great barrel noveske seems to be very pricey and really only runs other company parts and for that price nothing more than mil-spec trigger and bad mil-spec finish come with the rifle. With Larue offering a bit more for a couple hundred bucks less. Im not concerned about the price here, Im more concerned about getting the most, and more importantly a rifle that I know will run with out question if ever needed. Any insight on these two would be great, Thanks WWNAZ I own both brands and both are great but for three gun and the uses you mention I would get a Noveske. But its a tough choice. Since you mentioned some tactical use Noveske makes the best rifles when it comes to building depend your life on rifles. They are new into three gun but they are a big player in the tactical rifle crowd with a well earned reputation for making the best of the best. Pat Edited March 4, 2011 by Alaskapopo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyNo! Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) I've fired/seen both and both are good. I'd personally just build an AR15 and install a Noveske or Lothar-Walther (LaRue) barrel to save money. Spike's upper with LW barrel: http://vuurwapenblog.com/2010/03/14/spikes-tactical-18-spr-initial-impressions/ Edited March 4, 2011 by DyNo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bond Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Both of the rifles you are considering are great weapons. But after reading your post outlining exactly what you consider to be shortcoming on the ones you are considering, like many others before me, I would suggest you look at JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlamoShooter Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 you have doubled your options past the LaRue and Noveske, The JP is the one that most others pride them selves to measure against in 3 gun. I don't know tic about Tactical shooting , I am 99.9% Gamer. But I do know shooters , if your not in a hurry and can make it to the SMM3gun event 3-24 to 3-27 you can put your hands on two of my guns, = a Firebird and a mixed Firebird LOKI receiver. I bet the Noveske guys would be happy to let do a hands on too. I can't promise any thing about having a chance to shoot it at the match ,but a hands on can be a big decider. I gotta warn you though your going to want a Firebird with the Vortex optic on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWest N AZ Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 I must agree on the new forged lower from noveske if I go that route and i will wait forsure until they start encluding the new forged lower w/complete rifle builds. As far as larue goes i do like the obr, but some of lower pieces such as the color of ctr i just dont care for. last time i talked with larue directly you cant change the stock or grip, trigger to something more to your personal likes with out buying at extra cost. So if I go w/larue I would buy the stripped lower build it to my likings w/ stealth upper which i think has the nicer forearm anyways. I will check out the others also. Thanks WWNAZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardiackid Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Have you also checked out the new Bravo Company/EAG builds? Don't know exactly what specs you want your rifle built to (barrel length, gas system, etc.) but a handful of people I know have purchased their 16" midlength gas guns and love them. They'll keep you on the shorter side of the house for the defense/tactical stuff but will still give you a bit of an edge over a carbine length gas system for the 3-gun events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Why not keep it local? Marty Kolodziej runs Accuracy Speaks Gunsmithing out at Rio Salado in Mesa. They have produced one or two great AR's over the years. marty@accuracyspeaksgunsmithing.com 480-373-9499 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 It seems that some of the issues you are using to eliminate makers are very esoteric, color, bad finish??, fit. Whats a bad finish?? I'll be the first to say that LaRue can be difficult to deal with when you want to change something from how they offer it, but a lot of makers feel that they build the "perfect" rifle so why would you need to change it, its PERFECT!!! So we'll charge you a lot of money for it if you feel you need to change it as well. JP, and Firebird, will make the rifle you want, and then stand behind the product, LOKI is just getting into the arena, but they do make nice stuff, as does Tactical Machining in Fla.,... TM is also a very good, honest, work with you maker. Of the makers mentioned and the desires you say you are looking for, I'd say JP, first and Tactical Machining, Firebird, LOKI as not really second just other first class options. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWest N AZ Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) It seems that some of the issues you are using to eliminate makers are very esoteric, color, bad finish??, fit. Whats a bad finish?? I'll be the first to say that LaRue can be difficult to deal with when you want to change something from how they offer it, but a lot of makers feel that they build the "perfect" rifle so why would you need to change it, its PERFECT!!! So we'll charge you a lot of money for it if you feel you need to change it as well. JP, and Firebird, will make the rifle you want, and then stand behind the product, LOKI is just getting into the arena, but they do make nice stuff, as does Tactical Machining in Fla.,... TM is also a very good, honest, work with you maker. Of the makers mentioned and the desires you say you are looking for, I'd say JP, first and Tactical Machining, Firebird, LOKI as not really second just other first class options. Trapr What i ment by fit and finish is that for this amount of money I want a nice finish and upper and lower that isnt a rattle trap, which is what im seeing from the brands that most think of when considering an AR rifle. You hate to buy top fueler with a crap paint job and poor fitting seat... LoL Edited March 4, 2011 by WildWest N AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWest N AZ Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 So at this point I learning more towards the noveske than the larue. Noveske is more than willing to change out a stock and couple other things for credit for another part or two, plus a small install fee. I did look at JP and did see some stuff I liked and will be giving them a call for some info at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Well there really is only ONE "top fueler" and that is the J.P. CTR-02, everything else is a "B" gas. The rifles you describe ARE NOT in the same class, but they sure seem to want to charge the same price. Now as "Tactical rifles" go they are good ones, but over priced, and almost any company that assembles with the dreded "Mil Spec" parts will give you a good gun, like Bravo Company, but if you want "top Fuel" J.P. is the one! KurtM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWest N AZ Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 So JP's line is beyond busy? Can someone tell me, because I couldnt find weither or not JP's AR's will run 556 or just 223 stuff only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 J.P. runs a Wylde chamber in all his barrels so it will run either .223 or 5.56X45mm, usuall accuracy from a J.P. with good match ammo is well under 1 m.o.a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 As was said earlier, JP has been doing this for a very long time and they are the benchmark for every one else to compare to. plus new for this year they have lots of upper receiver options, normal charge, side charge, or both!!!! their barrels perform outstandingly even with 1000's of rounds thru them or extremely hot, their triggers are the benchmark as well, and they will listen to what the customer wants and work with you or offer options. Trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildWest N AZ Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 So after a long time on JP's site and a long chat with Mel at JP on what I was looking for and a whole lot of my questions answered. I am putting JP-15 right next to the noveske I was looking at. The JP 15 just plain has more of what I want, and is 500 bucks cheaper Its strange I knew about JP, heck Ive even shot a JP that a 3 gun bud had and didnt even know it at the time. I guess i didnt think about them just as one wouldnt consider STI trubor for tactical side arm. But as it turns out alot of JP's AR's are used for that, and law enforcement runs them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Schmitt Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 +1 on JP. You won't be disappointed. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle O Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Another jp vote here as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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