ThreeHeadedDog Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 The club I shoot at regularly does a double swinger with 2 threats set up behind barrels arrayed 2 high, 1 high, 2 high with the barrels touching. This makes it like shooting at them through a window or something and of course they dissapear on both sides of the swing. The biggest problem I have with this is the swingers are set at different speeds and you have no way of knowing if the one coming across is one you have already shot twice or the one you have not shot yet. I truly hate when I see this as it is (at least in my eyes) not a skill test but a roll of the dice. I have seen people drop a whole mag into the swingers to aviod failure to neutralize only to hit the same swinger all the time and never hit the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebp45 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Our club recently purchased one of these. Not sure about the answer to your question but one solution would be for the club to stencil a weapon on one and not the other. Thanks for the idea for the next stages that I design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHeadedDog Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 I agree that there are solutions but the point is that the club LIKES it ambigious and I just cant see the justification for it. I believe that it is a stage that is not skill based and is only used to levels out the scores a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) If there is really NO WAY to track which is which IMO it shouldn't be used. We have a double swinger- but they swing at the same speed so it's not terribly difficult tracking them... providing you pay attention. Luck should never be part of a good stage. Edited December 14, 2010 by lugnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve J Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 It's a shooting challenge. Deal with it. Anything that is more challenging than a static 2-dimensional target is a good thing in my opinion. And, yes it is perfectly legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) It's a shooting challenge. Deal with it. Anything that is more challenging than a static 2-dimensional target is a good thing in my opinion. And, yes it is perfectly legal. Steve- if there is really no way for a shooter to determine which threat is appearing and the appearance is totally random- you would be ok with that? What if you could set up a system where target A and target B would appear for 1 sec at a time but you had no idea which would appear when... you could see say A-A-B-A-B or B-A-B-B-B, etc. but had no way to determine A from B- that would be ok with you? Randomness like this has no place in a match IMO. Edited December 14, 2010 by lugnut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebp45 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 From my experience with our double swinger, it would be entirely possible to have shoot through opportunities because they frequently swing together. This would be in violation CoF rule 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If there are at least 6 shoot targets in the string of fire it is legal. Rare to find bublegum in IDPA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugnut Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 From my experience with our double swinger, it would be entirely possible to have shoot through opportunities because they frequently swing together. This would be in violation CoF rule 8. You would have to eliminate shoot thrus- it's easy to do- put hardcover or non threats in front of where the two threats overlap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punkin Chunker Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 (edited) Never mind. Edited October 29, 2011 by Punkin Chunker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Koski Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Shoot it, have fun. If you have a better stage design, volunteer to be an assistant match director for the coming year. After a stint there you may be ready to be MD. Koski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirveyr Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Are they swinging from different sides of the opening? People often hate things that they do not practice. While this double swinger may be hard for you to practice, it should be viewed as a challenge. The more you see this dreaded thing, the better you will get at shooting it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) I have shot these types of targets at matches, but I don't think they are legal. CoF 8. No threat target shall be located so that it can be hit by shooting through another threat target. edit: I think I might have read into the question wrong...but I'll leave my answer anyway. Edited November 30, 2011 by waktasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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