mscott Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 A conversation came up this past weekend about a scenario at a local match. This was stage 2 at Rayner's for Flex or others present. There was 1 popper that activated 2 drop turners. The drop turning targets were no penalty mikes as they were disapearing targets. If a shooter missed the popper that activated the targets and didn't shoot at the DTs since they weren't activated, how would this be scored? My call was 1 mike for the steel, 4 NPM on paper drop turners, and 2 procedurals for failure to activate the drop turners. Is the 2 procedurals the right call since it was the same activation mechanism for both targets? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Is the 2 procedurals the right call since it was the same activation mechanism for both targets? Yes. I believe the wording is the penalty is on the target(s). I think it's 9.9.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Per 9.9.3 four misses -- not non-penalty misses -- would also apply, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boz1911 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 Per 9.9.3 four misses -- not non-penalty misses -- would also apply, no? Wow, I've never run into that before but you're correct, 4 mikeys since they were not activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 9.9 Scoring of Moving Targets 9.9.1 Moving scoring targets which present at least a portion of the highest scoring area when at rest following the completion of their designed movement, or which continuously appear and disappear, will always incur failure to shoot at and/or miss penalties (exception see Rule 9.2.4.4). See Appendix B2 or B3 for the percent of target to be presented. 9.9.2 Moving scoring targets, which do not comply with the above criteria are considered disappearing targets and will not incur failure to shoot at or miss penalties except where Rule 9.9.3 applies. 9.9.3 Moving scoring targets will always incur failure to shoot at and miss penalties if a competitor fails to activate the mechanism which initiates the target movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chbrow10 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 we sorta covered this in my RO class. Flex cited the rule, so the tally would be; 1 mike for popper 2 procedurals for "failure to shoot at" for each drop turner 4 mikes, 2 for each paper target, since they were not "shot at" Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 we sorta covered this in my RO class. Flex cited the rule, so the tally would be; 1 mike for popper 2 procedurals for "failure to shoot at" for each drop turner 4 mikes, 2 for each paper target, since they were not "shot at" Is that correct? Absolutely correct (assuming you meant to say one procedural for each drop turner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chbrow10 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) Correct, Mr. Jones. That is what I meant. It is amazing how easy it is to decide what is the rule and what are teh penalties from the comfort of the armchair. It seems much harder to do when it is 98 degrees outside at 1 PM, the shooter and clipboard RO are looking at you, and the squad is waiting to paste. ;-) Edited August 19, 2010 by chbrow10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Jones Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Correct, Mr. Jones. That is what I meant. It is amazing how easy it is to decide what is the rule and what are teh penalties from the comfort of the armchair. It seems much harder to do when it is 98 degrees outside at 1 PM, the shooter and clipboard RO are looking at you, and the squad is waiting to paste. ;-) You forgot that it's raining and you're running out of daylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactiger Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Correct, Mr. Jones. That is what I meant. It is amazing how easy it is to decide what is the rule and what are teh penalties from the comfort of the armchair. It seems much harder to do when it is 98 degrees outside at 1 PM, the shooter and clipboard RO are looking at you, and the squad is waiting to paste. ;-) You forgot that it's raining and you're running out of daylight. Good times, good times! Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Correct, Mr. Jones. That is what I meant. It is amazing how easy it is to decide what is the rule and what are teh penalties from the comfort of the armchair. It seems much harder to do when it is 98 degrees outside at 1 PM, the shooter and clipboard RO are looking at you, and the squad is waiting to paste. ;-) You forgot that it's raining and you're running out of daylight. And your glasses are fogged up, you are running Dave Sevigny, going backwards and he is belted into a push cart trying to run you over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Correct, Mr. Jones. That is what I meant. It is amazing how easy it is to decide what is the rule and what are teh penalties from the comfort of the armchair. It seems much harder to do when it is 98 degrees outside at 1 PM, the shooter and clipboard RO are looking at you, and the squad is waiting to paste. ;-) You forgot that it's raining and you're running out of daylight. And your glasses are fogged up, you are running Dave Sevigny, going backwards and he is belted into a push cart trying to run you over. If it's Dave Sevigny, your ass has already been run over! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizeks Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 5 mikes for all the targets you missed! 1 on the steel, 4 for the paper targets 3 FTE for the targets you didn't engage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfchorn Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) 5 mikes for all the targets you missed! 1 on the steel, 4 for the paper targets 3 FTE for the targets you didn't engage! 2 FTEs, not 3. He engaged the popper, just didn't hit it (assuming missed in the OP means shot at and missed, not ran by without seeing....). Agree with the 5 mikes. Edited for clarity Edited August 19, 2010 by sfchorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizeks Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 5 mikes for all the targets you missed! 1 on the steel, 4 for the paper targets 3 FTE for the targets you didn't engage! 2 FTEs, not 3. He engaged the popper, just didn't hit it (assuming missed in the OP means shot at and missed, not ran by without seeing....). Agree with the 5 mikes. Edited for clarity OOPS! My bad! By the time you wade through the junk it's easy to forget the original post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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