Vince Pinto Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Hi guys, This is all great stuff, but don't forget to contact Mike Voigt in respect of ideas for additional US Teams. Apart from needing official slots, the USPSA must decide how to allocate those slots, so you should present your case ASAP to give Mike and the BOD sufficient time to consider selection criteria and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted January 29, 2004 Author Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hi folks, Somebody with the unusual and easily identifiable name of "Chuck" sent me an email asking about the website for WSXIII but, when I replied, the message bounced, so I presume Chuck has not updated his email address in his profile here. Bad Chuck. Anyway the dedicated WSXIV website is not available yet, but people interested in obtaining more information should keep an eye on the IPSC Ecuador website, where some preliminary details have already been posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted February 3, 2004 Author Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi folks, This message has been copied from my response given in another thread so that information about slots is also available here: COMPETITOR SLOTS For IPSC Level IV (Continental) and Level V (World Shoot) matches, each member Region is awarded a percentage of the total slots available for the match. This is calculated pro rata according to the average number of members declared and paid by your Region to IPSC in the preceding 3 years (i.e. since the last World Shoot). Hence, if your Region has (on average) 5% of the total membership paid to IPSC, it's entitled to 5% of the slots. Once the slots are allocated to each Region, the Regional Directorate (in your case, the USPSA), decides how those slots are made available to it's members. In other words, when it comes to the World Shoot, you can't just decide to go, pay the registration fee, and shoot the match - you need a slot from the USPSA (or whoever is your Regional Directorate). Of course official Regional Teams (e.g. Gold, Silver etc.) usually come first, followed by other top shooters and so on, but there were USPSA competitors in South Africa who were not GM or M grade. The good news is that although the "official" number of slots available is only 525, in recent years we've squeezed a few more in with creative use of the "pre-match" (e.g. there were 800 competitors at WSXIII in South Africa!!). The other good news is that if, say, IPSC Guacamole has earned 8 slots, but they only need 4, the slots which are not required are then returned to IPSC for re-distribution to those on the waiting list (and no, Regions cannot give them away or sell them - they "use them or lose them" back to IPSC). Having said all that, and as far as I can recall, everyone who wanted to shoot the last two World Shoots got a slot. It takes some juggling, but so far, so good. Typically, the USPSA gets about 40 slots in the first tranche, but I think they obtained another 10 (possibly more) in the second tranche last time. By the way, I don't mean to rain on anybody's parade, but I also don't want people incurring costs before they have a slot. If you live in the USA and are a member of the USPSA, I suggest you send an "expression of interest" to Dave Thomas at Sedro Woolley (or to USPSA President Mike Voigt), towards the end of 2004 (the slots are allocated early 2005). Hope this information helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPSA 86-259 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Ammunition will be the main issue for many shooters especially those from Europe because of the problems with the bagage in planes. On the WSXII in the Philippines it was possible to buy ammo reloaded the way you needed it. Expensive but mine was major. On the WSXIII I bought 9x19 rounds at a local factory. I wonder if it will be possible to purchase Ammo in Equador? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Or have it shipped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Suber Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Ammo in Ecuador will be VERY expensive - especially 40 Cal. 9mm should be available. The US State Department has restricted ALL US Companies from exporting ammo to Ecuador, so you can forget the US brands. From what I understand, the best way is to ship your ammo in advance. Victor Ferrero (Match Director) told me that Ecuador will have import permits ready for people to ship their ammo. I think this is your only option as you will not be able to fly with enough ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalmas Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 We'll take the entire teams ammo and have it shipped well in advance. Probably try to get the transportation sponsored too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 I was curious about the US ammo embargo on Ecuador: US State Dept. Info on travelling to Ecuador (Don't interpret this as my raining on anyone's parade. I'd go anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalmas Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 I was curious about the US ammo embargo on Ecuador:US State Dept. Info on travelling to Ecuador (Don't interpret this as my raining on anyone's parade. I'd go anyway.) Everything is relative - stopping for gas in certain areas of pretty much every major city in the US can be just as dangerous. Apart from that we are all armed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Hey, I survived trips to Mena, Arkansas and East St. Louis. Ecuador sounds like paradise to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalmas Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 Hey, I survived trips to Mena, Arkansas and East St. Louis. Ecuador sounds like paradise to me. I got escorted by the Pueblo East Side Locos when I had to bicyle through that part of town in High School, Now that was a huge thing for a swedish exchange student with no prior experience of gangs.. As soon as my bike hit the railroad track a Loco car would ride behind me until the hit the tracks on the other side, safe as hell.... Why the ended up escorting me is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPSA 86-259 Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 I will shoot production division and will need 9x19 ammo. Are there any stores in Guayaquil where I can buy ammo. I am used shooting S&B (CZ brand) and any ammo will do as long as it hits the minor factor and the target down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Suber Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 There are a few stores and you may be able to pick up 100 or so rounds, but it will be expensive. It really is in your best interest to ship your ammo. My brother lives in Ecuador and I will ask him about the availability of 9X19 ammo. As soon as I find out, I will post. Take care. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 24, 2004 Share Posted March 24, 2004 FedEx, here I come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalmas Posted March 25, 2004 Share Posted March 25, 2004 FedEx, here I come. Nope none of the Express Carriers (UPS, FedEx, DHL, TNT) carry explosvies (1.4S) small arms ammo is classified as expolsives for air transport. Alone it will be expensive to ship since it's classified as dangerous goods, the paperwork, handling, transportation all cost extra (sometimes alot depending on operator). Best choise is to get the whole teams ammo in one shipment and split the cost. Alone you could easy stand with a USD 200 bill to get your 20lbs of ammo to WS XIV. Shipping dangerous goods takes some planning, for example you have to use specific boxes to ship it in, tested and approved by the UN. I have 15 years experience with one of the above carriers and will probably arrange my teams ammo transport to WS and I'll be out in goooood time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPSA 86-259 Posted March 26, 2004 Share Posted March 26, 2004 Maybe this will help if the organisation of the event makes some informations about getting it http://www.indumil.gov.co/pcomerciales.htm I don't read/speak spanish, what does it say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Hi guys, I realise you're all anxious for more match information as soon as possible, so keep your eye on the new World Shoot XIV website. There's nothing to read there right now, but information will be posted gradually through 2004 and early 2005. Getting ammo to major matches is not just an Ecuadorean problem. It's arguably the biggest single problem facing all international competitors these days and in the forseeable future, except for those who can drive to a match. The key is trying to negotiate higher allowances with one or more airlines, who are entitled to give sports shooters a break if the airline is so willing - the IATA 5 kilogram rule is actually just a guideline. More news to follow ............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 My tiny bit of informations on shipping ammo. I know that Italian teams at WSXIII resorted to the following to ship their ammo to SA: the Italian Federation got a deal with Alitalia to ship a pallet of ammunition via a cargo flight, well in advance of the WS. I guess every competitor sent there some Ks of rounds, to practice the week before the match. Check with your airline carrier if the same can be done. It's not cheap, and you'll have to gather in group to fill a single pallet, but it might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Maybe this will help if the organisation of the event makes some informations about getting it http://www.indumil.gov.co/pcomerciales.htmI don't read/speak spanish, what does it say? Arie, Indumil is a Colombian manufacturer of (amongst other things) ammunition. The website lists their products. It looks like they only produce 9x19 ammo, the other calibers listed are not (regularly) used in IPSC. Missing calibres which should be available are .38 super, 9x21, .40S&W and .45 ACP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted March 30, 2004 Author Share Posted March 30, 2004 Latest news from the WSXIV Match Director in respect of ammo: ++++++++++++++++ 1. Ship the ammo to Guayaquil. This option might prove too expensive due to freight and forwarding agent costs. 2. Purchase your ammo in Guayaquil. At this point in time we are waiting for confirmation of an appointment with Government Officials to discuss the import of ammo to fulfill the needs of the competitors. Once the green light is given we will be in a position to obtain factory quotations and provide the Regions with a list of calibers, manufacturers and prices. The ammo is a main concern issue and we should have a definite solution as indicated above, by the end oif April. A word of advice: suggest you plan your trip with connecting flight through Houston final destination Guayaquil. Continental Airlines has a 5 hour flight Houston to Guayaquil. European Regions would benefit of the fact that several airlines offer direct non stop flights from various European cities to Guayaquil (Iberia, KLM, American Airlines, etc.) without having to stop in the US. ++++++++++++++++ More news to follow ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Suber Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Unfortunately, since this will be a huge (stages/round count) match, competitors will not be able to carry enough ammo on airlines to be able to shoot the match. Therefore, the only other options are shipping ammo or buying ammo. Regarding the shipping, there are several issues that need to be resolved. It is looking like shipping to Guayaquil can only be done via air freight in that the port of Guayaquil will no longer store ANY explosive material or ammunition. The only way to ship (on a boat) then, would be to have someone on station, with customs agents, and freight agent to receive the ammo when the ship docks (if its 3am, thats when he needs to be there). If noone is there, the ammo does not get unloaded and leaves with the ship. Therefore, air seems to be the only option. An expensive option. If the ammo is shipped, the US State Department will have to issue a special export permit (because of the US arms/ammo embargo) - something they will not do until Ecuador issues and import permit. Also Ecuador will require that an agent be brought in to assess the fair market value of the ammo - reloads will be valued on the fair market value of similar factory ammo. Duties will be assessed accordingly. So, taxes need to be paid to the Ecuadorean government and necessary fees to the agent that assesses the value of the ammo. These fees will apply unless IPSC Ecuador can get the government to waive them. I feel confident that Victor Ferrero will be working these issues out. Michael Voight is also aware of the embargo and will be taking care of things on behalf of USPSA. Buying ammo is an option. I think this would be OK for people shooting Production. However, I am shooting Standard and I would prefer to have my own 40 cal ammo rather than factory. I can have CBC ammo (9mm and 40SW) available for those parties that are interested. I would not recommend Ecuadorean manufacturered ammo. BTW, does anybody have an idea about how many rounds the match will be? One option is that if you are travelling with a spouse/significant other/firend etc., that person should be able to carry the same amount of ammo (I read the rules stating 5 kilos per person). 5 kilos of 40/180s is 300 rounds. So, since my wife will be going with me I would be able to fly with 600 rounds of 40/180. Just a thought. Also, Keep in mind that American Airlines goes to Guayaquil, too, and last time I was there offered more flight options than Continental. Either way, it better if you can remain on one airline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted March 31, 2004 Author Share Posted March 31, 2004 Jack, Most World Shoots require around 600 rounds, and most competitors take 700-750 rounds to allow for practice, reshoots etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Suber Posted March 31, 2004 Share Posted March 31, 2004 Oooff!! I might need to take my son two so he can carry another 300 rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 Latest news from the WSXIV Match Director in respect of at is givenon stop flights from various European cities to Guayaquil (Iberia, KLM, American Airlines, etc.) without having to stop in the US. The last I heard, KLM accepted only "sporting firearms" of certain calibers, and this policy included "absolutely no handguns". Better check before buying tickets, particularly with non-US carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted April 2, 2004 Share Posted April 2, 2004 I was curious about the US ammo embargo on Ecuador:US State Dept. Info on travelling to Ecuador (Don't interpret this as my raining on anyone's parade. I'd go anyway.) Everything is relative - stopping for gas in certain areas of pretty much every major city in the US can be just as dangerous. Apart from that we are all armed... Correct me if I am wrong, but most "developing nations" (use of the politically correct is appropriate, since they will probably use politically correct targets) do not let visitors go armed, and throw you in a stiinking hellhole for a few years to await trial if you are caught carrying outside very restrictive licensing conditions. (ie, it's sort of like Massachusetts or New Jersey, although MA does sell visitors carry permits if you plan 6+ months ahead of time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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