Transition Drill Part 1

[DoubleL]

I just read part two and can't wait. It's not what I was expecting. I think that on the better runs I was doing part two, but not consistently.

If I just deep breath relax wait for buzzer and don't rush things work out much better. My draw sucks, over 2 nearly every time. I had one that was sub 2 but not by much. The accuracy, oddly enough, is the easiest part for me. My trigger finger is slow, but smooth. I do snap my vision but slowly and inconsistenly. When I don't rush I don't overdrive the gun. Overly tense upper body is quick recipe for crappy shooting.

Amazing that even as a brand new shooter there is so much to learn from just one drill if you pay attention while shooting it. Of course reading here is the only reason I even know about any of this.

Do you guys find practicing alone or with a partner better?

I need a good book or three.

[38supPat]

I just read part two and can't wait. It's not what I was expecting. I think that on the better runs I was doing part two, but not consistently.

If I just deep breath relax wait for buzzer and don't rush things work out much better. My draw sucks, over 2 nearly every time. I had one that was sub 2 but not by much. The accuracy, oddly enough, is the easiest part for me. My trigger finger is slow, but smooth. I do snap my vision but slowly and inconsistenly. When I don't rush I don't overdrive the gun. Overly tense upper body is quick recipe for crappy shooting.

Amazing that even as a brand new shooter there is so much to learn from just one drill if you pay attention while shooting it. Of course reading here is the only reason I even know about any of this.

That's why I like keeping my drills small and simple, there is so much that can be seen and learned on a short drill. If you run field courses as practice there is information overload, there's just way too much information to take in and we tend to lose most of it. Better to keep small and simple and take the info in smaller bites

Do you guys find practicing alone or with a partner better?

Depends on the partner. Preferably you can practice with someone at your own level or slightly above, just don't make it a competition. Shoot the drills and discuss honestly what you saw or felt. If you can't be honest, if you feel the need to hide or exaggerate or understate what happened then you are wasting both of your times. You both need to be positive influences on each other, negativity will ruin your practice and your mindset. Now a days I find myself wanting to practice on my own. I don't have a practice partner I feel comfortable with at my level. I am working with a good friend of mine who just started IPSC, I have no problem coaching him and helping him out but it's hard to focus on my own shooting so when I want to do some serious practice I'd rather be on my own

I need a good book or three.

[KtNaff]

Found this drill and got to the range to try it out.

5.33 x 1.5 = 6.83

5.29 x 1.0 = 6.29

5.52 clean = 5.52

5.70 x 1.0 = 6.70

5.38 x 1.0 = 6.38

5.31 clean = 5.31

Stopped on the clean run. Average for the day = 6.17

[docscoutjr]

Interesting...I noticed when I started to lean on it that I was drifting on the middle target, that and pausing to admire how things were going on T3...

[Downrange58]

It took me quite a while to find this old post, so I started a thread with it to make it easier to find later...

And for a live-fire drill, next time you're at the range, try the following drill.

Set up 3 IPSC targets at 10 yards, about a yard a apart, edge to edge. Only hits in the A box count. On the buzzer draw and shoot one shot at each target - left to right, then repeat left to right, then repeat again left to right - for a total of 9 shots. Check your time, add a half second for each non-A, and note your score. You don't really care about your score that much, just remember it for later. Shoot a 6 - 10 strings, to establish an average score. While you're establishing your average - you're just shooting like you normally would. Don't try any new tricks or anything at all. In the end just know your average score for the drill.

As I was typing part 2, I thought of a way to keep it real. There won't be a part 2 until you go to the range and do part 1. Then PM me, and I'll reply with part 2.

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Brian, would you send me part 2 again?

Edited May 15, 2012 by Downrange58

[DoubleL]

Part two showed me how to properly transition. Did some runs with more and less distance between targets too. The wide transitions coupled with part two made for a very eye opening drill. I still need a reliable timer, the phone app is getting old fast.

I've been setting this one up every time out, thanks again for a great drill. My shooting buddies have branded it "The Typewriter"

[docscoutjr]

Ahhhh...a huge anchor has been lifted. Shooting fast has never been a problem for me, seeing fast is the solution.

[DoubleL]

You need to see fast to shoot fast.

Sounds crazy obvious once you say it out loud right?

[docscoutjr]

A lesson I wish I had been taught a long time ago.

"Shaka, his eyes open"

[maka]

Ok, finally got around to trying this myself. It seems like I'm still "trying" too much, ending up with non-A hits here and there... Bugger if I couldn't have made it at least one clean string...

String 1: 7.45 s, 3 down, 8.95 s

String 2: 8.06 s, 4 down, 10.06 s

String 3: 6.87 s, 1 down, 7.37 s

String 4: 7.29 s, 1 down, 7.79 s

String 5: 6.66 s, 1 down, 7.16 s

String 6: 6.47 s, 3 down, 7.97 s

String 7: 6.84 s, 4 down, 8.84 s

String 8: 6.70 s, 2 down, 7.70 s

String 9: 6.52 s, 4 down, 8.52 s

String 10: 6.17 s, 2 down, 7.17 s

Average of 8.15s

PM sent for Part 2...

[38supPat]

While you are posting times, include your average target to target times. At this distance with production, standard/limited, or Open I am running .25 to .29 for each transition.

[stidad]

I need to try this out

[maka]

While you are posting times, include your average target to target times. At this distance with production, standard/limited, or Open I am running .25 to .29 for each transition.

Fair enough, Pat...

Detailed splits below. New shooter, shooting IPSC Standard Minor with a CZ Tactical Sports 9mm:

[Acespeedy]

Raw Pt Draw T2 T3 T1 T2 T3 T1 T2 T3

6.60 (1) 1.54 67 63 66 63 57 69 62 59

6.81 (4) 1.57 68 67 68 58 54 87 67 77

6.55 (2) 1.57 63 57 69 57 57 71 60 64

7.65 (1) 1.58 77 69 77 68 66 74 68 108

6.68 (3) 1.63 66 61 70 55 53 72 63 65

7.05 (1) 1.63 62 61 67 57 71 85 66 73

7.22 (1) 1.56 68 63 78 64 62 87 69 75

7.31 (0) 1.53 66 66 72 68 71 90 73 72

8.93 (1) 1.93 88 85 95 74 84 110 80 84

8.20 (0) 1.70 74 72 82 78 73 89 81 101

8.20 (1) 1.63 73 73 92 77 74 96 87 85

8.25 Avg

Glock 35 180 GR HST JHP/Serpa

PM Sent Thanks

I'd like to try it with my G34/Ball ammo to see if there is a big difference in times.

Edited May 29, 2012 by Acespeedy

[hernan870]

I did this drill today, I think that is good for see how coming the sight to the next A.

My time avernage was 5.26, two + 1, two + 0.50 and two clean. Time draw avr 1.45.

Also did with strong hand, avr 7.60 and draw 1.80.

With CZ Shadow 9 mm.

[hunt_fish]

Tried this out today, only got three runs in before the rain set in!

I know three is not quite enough for a proper benchmark, but it felt as if they were representative of my current ability.

Run 1: 5.40s, 1 down, 5.90 total

Run 2: 5.72s, 1 down, 6.22 total

Run 3: 5.66s, 1 down, 6.16 total

Average = 6.09s

Average transition time = 0.501s

PM sent!

[hunt_fish]

After reading part 2 and a small amount of dry-fire, I dropped from an average of 6.09s to an average of 4.80s!!

Thanks Brian - now I just need to incorporate this between ALL targets I shoot!!

[apriav]

It took me quite a while to find this old post, so I started a thread with it to make it easier to find later...

And for a live-fire drill, next time you're at the range, try the following drill.

Set up 3 IPSC targets at 10 yards, about a yard a apart, edge to edge. Only hits in the A box count. On the buzzer draw and shoot one shot at each target - left to right, then repeat left to right, then repeat again left to right - for a total of 9 shots. Check your time, add a half second for each non-A, and note your score. You don't really care about your score that much, just remember it for later. Shoot a 6 - 10 strings, to establish an average score. While you're establishing your average - you're just shooting like you normally would. Don't try any new tricks or anything at all. In the end just know your average score for the drill.

As I was typing part 2, I thought of a way to keep it real. There won't be a part 2 until you go to the range and do part 1. Then PM me, and I'll reply with part 2.

be

Brian, would you send me part 2 again?

Brian, would you send me part 2 again?

[dave ortega]

Hi Brian,

Tried this drill last weekend . Here's my time and average:

1) 6.21 x 1.5 = 9.32

2) 6.47 x 2 = 12.94

3) 5.89 x 2 = 11.78

4) 6.70 x 1.0 = 6.7

5) 6.10 x 1.5 = 9.15

6) 6.86 x 1.5 = 10.29

Average = 10.029

Can you PM me Part 2?

Many Thanks

[Isurg]

Hey Brian,

My drill times avg. was about 6.5sec.

Please send me part 2

thx

[leas327]

Ran it today. Low B class and haven't been practicing much lately.

Average raw time=6.43

Average time w/ penalties=7.50

Average time for 1st shot=1.3

PM sent for part 2.

[AirBorne]

Heading to the range tomorrow evening to give this drill a go. Question, before sending the PM would it be a better idea to practice this drill at a couple different practice sessions or is the 6-10 strings enough?

Edited July 26, 2012 by AirBorne

[hunt_fish]

Just do the 6-10 strings to identify your current level. The practise comes with Part 2

[AirBorne]

6.81 1c = 7.31

6.84 clean = 6.84

7.10 1c = 7.60

6.39 1c = 6.89

6.52 clean = 6.52

6.42 clean = 6.42

6.25 1c = 6.75

6.70 3c = 8.20

6.93 2c = 7.93

6.23 clean = 6.23

Average = 7.069

PM on it's way

Edited July 27, 2012 by AirBorne

[AirBorne]

Thanks for the 2nd part of the drill,it'll get done Tues.

Think it's something that can be added to a practice schedule.