Chills1994 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 That is blazing fast! Just running some numbers here...I shoot it 1, 2, 3, 4, Stop. Going with the 1.84 average time and working backwards... Minus .20 = 1.64 hit on #4 Let's say a .14 transition gets you a 1.5 second hit on #3. Another .20 = 1.30 hit on #2 .14 seconds between #1 and #2 = 1.16 first shot from draw. Or another way to look at it: #1 : 1.16 #2 : 1.30 #3 : 1.50 #4 : 1.64 #S : 1.84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Anyone...anyone... Bueller? Bueller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 In the June Tier III match at Old Bridge, NJ, KC blasted a 5.68 in S&H RFPO, which is a 1.42s average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) 1.16 secs is a VERY slow draw to a 7 yd 18"x24" target ..... even I can do a 1.25 draw on S&H. His open draw has to be sub 1 sec & his RFPO 1st shot should be under .5 secs as well ... Edited October 1, 2015 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chills1994 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Okay. Thanks! I thought a 1.16 second first shot was generous, especially from an open gun out of an open holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 yeah, maybe for stages like Speed Option where you're drawing to a 15 yd target or Pendulum at 18 yds but not Smoke & Hope ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlep Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Max Michel was doing .7 draws on S&H at the PA State Steel Challenge Championship match. To be honest, that seemed to be his draw time regardless of the stage. Someone grabbed slow-mo video of his draw on one of the stages. If I can track it down I will share it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 That sounds about right. When I was being instructed by Robby Orent he said that a 1 second draw was the main goal of most top shooters and beyond that was just refining the process. Sometimes the division allowed holster defines how fast you can draw as much as anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Max Michel was doing .7 draws on S&H at the PA State Steel Challenge Championship match. To be honest, that seemed to be his draw time regardless of the stage. Someone grabbed slow-mo video of his draw on one of the stages. If I can track it down I will share it. I hope you find it. I'd love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1911 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I always shoot this 1 2 4 3 stop. I'm usually around 10-12 seconds with a 2.5-2.8 average with an occasional 1.9 on a good day. Fastest time I've gotten was 9.4 total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 On 10/2/2015 at 8:17 AM, scottlep said: Max Michel was doing .7 draws on S&H at the PA State Steel Challenge Championship match. To be honest, that seemed to be his draw time regardless of the stage. Someone grabbed slow-mo video of his draw on one of the stages. If I can track it down I will share it. Max is essentially a machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpYoursPal Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Smoke & Hope is easily my worst stage. On all of the other stages, with the small exception of Roundabout, I can relax a little and focus on good fundamentals and good transitions. But on S&H all of that goes out the window and I get tense and throw complete trash fires for stage times. Like, I have yet to crack 13 seconds in OPEN on S&H. I'm actually faster in Showdown and almost as fast in Speed Option! In fact, I've only cracked a 3 second individual string time once in close to 2 years of shooting SC. I took the advice of the thread early on and shot it 1-2-4-3-stop. What I'm noticing happening is that I'll often overswing on plate 4 and have to take a makeup shot which kills my time. Usually I don't really have a problem hitting the stop plate consistently, it's just that big swing causes me to miss and take a makeup shot. For my next match, I plan to practice 1-2-3-4-stop and raise my par times a little so I don't get so tense. Logically there's no reason why I should be missing on these big plates, so I'm hoping that a difference approach might help me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster mcbee Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 I've tried it before going 1-2-4-3-S, but I have a hard time passing up a plate and not shooting it, so I'm 1-2-3-4-S now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillChunn Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Watched Jerry Miculek shoot S&H with a Smith & Wesson Performance Center Victory in RFPO and his sequence was 2,1,4,3,S. Being that the muzzle was pointing at the start marker, the closest target was 2. My best run using that sequence in RFRO was 6.39 in December '20 at Brooklyn. BC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKB Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Peak Time changes for SC-103 SMOKE & HOPE effective 03 Jan 2024. PCCI (Pistol Caliber Carbine Irons) to 7.75 sec from 8.00 sec. All other Divisions remain unchanged for 2024. REF: USPSA BOD minutes 20230523 SCSA PST Adjustments 2024.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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