gerritm Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Question to the group: Is the front bead removable? I'm considering replacing it instead of using the Hiviz Birdbuster magnetic attach fiber optic replacement. Thank you. Comments: I would love a properly made bolt handle to go on this. Dremel purchased, need to find time to open up the end of the magazine tube. The front bead unscrews. Some will break off, be careful and use even pressure on the pliers. gerrit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Thank you. I'll try to be careful when the time comes. We will see what happens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suesstech Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Michael1778, I would recommend not going with the magnetic kind just because your likely to lose it during matches when you bump it here or there. Hivis makes the competition sight. It holds a lot of light and is very easy to see. It does require taking the brass bead off but is very easy to install. Just like with anything gun wise as long as you apply even pressure the bead comes off very easy. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31lkJs1QI2L._SS500_.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael1778 Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Michael1778, I would recommend not going with the magnetic kind just because your likely to lose it during matches when you bump it here or there. Hivis makes the competition sight. It holds a lot of light and is very easy to see. It does require taking the brass bead off but is very easy to install. Just like with anything gun wise as long as you apply even pressure the bead comes off very easy. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31lkJs1QI2L._SS500_.jpg Thank you, Ryan. I've come to that conclusion as well. I'll swap out the front bead for a better sight fit; likely that one you mentioned. -- Mike Edited January 15, 2012 by michael1778 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suesstech Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) All, Posting these on behalf of sschultz. This is the bolt handle he mentioned previously. Edited January 16, 2012 by suesstech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Sorry about the crappie pics guys. The little bit that I have got to play with it I really like it. Its a lot smoother to handle than the other that iI had. Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Sorry about the crappie pics guys. The little bit that I have got to play with it I really like it. Its a lot smoother to handle than the other that iI had. Schultz Nice, when will it be available? gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 i've been following on and off, this is looking pretty awesome. with my SP-01, and if i can get a built 712, all i'd need is a vz58 rifle and i can start a cz-usa 3-gun team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horseman Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Got my 712 today. Bone dry. Little disappointed in the plastic to metal fit. Metal finish was very good and if it runs I will be pleased. I am a long time 1100 shooter and am unfamiliar with CZ system although it looks very much like the FN which I have shot but not messed with much. Question. How do you load with the bolt closed and one on the carrier or lifter with a full magazine. I can do the bolt closed one on the carrier deal but can not figure out how to top off the magazine. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 horseman if you load the mag then pull the bolt about 3/4 of way back slide a shell in under the bolt and push the button on the lifter then push the shell down so the bolt will close. You could also put a shell in the chamber too. Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horseman Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Thanks, sshultz, worked slick. I did try to load one on the lifter and one in the chamber. It didn't like that too much. Was the only failure to feed I had all day. You don't happen to know the thread measurement of the front bead do you? Ran 50 Federal 3 dram 1 1/8 Wal-Mart loads ran fine both with the Nordic prototype bolt handle and without. I think that bolt handle is going to be a must have for anyone that has the CZ. It just takes the pain out of racking the bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkCO Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Just FYI, CZ has a 712 Utility in their display at SHOT with a Nordic extension and clamp on it already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastmtnbiker33w Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Just FYI, CZ has a 712 Utility in their display at SHOT with a Nordic extension and clamp on it already... Interesting. I couldn't use the Nordic clamp on mine as it squeezed the tube up and the barrel down A LOT. I ended up going with a Choate clamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gungeezer Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hey guys I am a Semiauto noob and I am unsure how to remove the bolt handle on the 712. Do you just pull it out or is there something that you need to do or is there a position that the bolt needs to be in to get it to come off? Sorry about the BASIC question but I do not want to damage my gun by doing something wrong. Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 After you take the barrel off look at the bolt and you will see a half moon cut on the top and bottom. make sure the bolt is lined up with that notch and then pull the handle out. You mmay need to use a pliers at first. The cuts in the bolt are where the bolt handle slides back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gungeezer Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Thanks, That is what I thought but mine required what I thought was too much force. I will try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3gungeezer Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Well Gents, It is done. Many thanks to the people that helped me get this thing together. I think it came out alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 only one thing left. The bolt catch button. Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I have been following both this post and the one on mosberg 930. 930, and now remington versa max are building building a 3gun version. Is CZ planning a 3gun 712. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speederx7 Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 here is a good walk thru on a cz-712 disassembly http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/timb99/CZ-712%20Disassembly/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksmirk Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I got some work back from a good source that there is going to be some light recoil springs soon, so no more dremeling the springs to run light loads! keep your fingers crossed they come out ok BUT don't get in a great hurry there is still some testing that will have to be done. I'll see if I can find out anything about CZ wanting to get into the 3-gun with a shotgun as I have a very good source of that kind of information here in town. Only thing that is going to make it difficult is these shotguns are made in Turkey, CZ needs to spec out what they want built or find someone to mod them for them to take off and work like they should out of the box. A true built 3-gun shotgun under a grand that WORKS would be awesome. All you guys that want to run 2 3/4 dram loads keep your fingers crossed on the light springs and I'll let ya know how everything comes out. Later, Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fastmtnbiker33w Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I've reduced my shooting to just my local 3 gun bimonthly matches. So I my experiences with my cz are becoming more limited.....not a big deal as I've had many other hobbies and I'm just trying to find a balance with time and $$$. I shot Saturday and lent my gun to a friend on our last stage. He shot it great and sho nuff...it hiccuped on me. FTE. Which is a first on this gun in the 10 matches I've used it. I shortened my recoil spring and couldn't tell a difference with my cheap game loads, but haven't tried anything lighter. I'll be eyeballing this forum for the release of the Nordic bolt handle. That would have been nice last weekend in the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suesstech Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Guys, To be honest I've really had no reasons to lighten my springs. For the past couple of matches I've been running the cheap walmart #8 value pack federals for the birdshot and the Federal Tru Ball Low-Recoil slugs. Everything is pretty light in the recoil department if you ask me and I'm happy with the POA/POI of the slugs and never have any FTE's or anything. Really at this point once Nordic releases the bolt handle I think I'll be completed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritm Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) My son shot his in a 3 gun match yesterday that had a lot more rounds and it ran great. Shooting the cheap $4.99 a box Federal 3 1/4 dram, 7.5, 1 oz. loads. There was another CZ 712 in tha match. Kind of surprised us to see one. His ran good too. I think he was shooting Winchester AA loads. We do need to figure out shooting slugs. Had one at about 60 yards and it was tough to hit. We had it zeroed in at 50 yards and changed the choke. Need to re-zero it. I don't see any reason to lighten the springs either. The recoil with this ATI stock is modest and with the type of targets we shoot I don't think there is any advantage to lighter loads. gerritm Edited January 30, 2012 by gerritm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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