digerup Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I,m new to USPSA and just started shooting in the limited 10 class with a Kimber Custom Eclipse. I would like buy a high cap and try the limited class and Im wondering if there is much advantage to moving to a .40. Is there noticebly less recoil? I already load .45 and 9mm but no .40 dies. Ive seen a .40 will hold about 2 more rounds in the mags, but main reason I was thinking about moving to .40 was possibly less recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murkish Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 In limited, it is not the recoil that drives people to .40, rather it is the magazine capacity. The extra reloads with a .45 will kill you. You might consider limited minor with a 9mm to get your feet wet in the class and be somewhat competitive without the expense of getting set-up to load .40. It will at least get you classified in limited. I originally classified in limited with Glock 34 production rig, loading up my high cap mags to full capacity. Then I added some mag extensions that I later was able to re-use when I switched to a .40 cal glock 24. Regards, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 the advantages to .40 is: 1. added capacity 2. brass is usually cheaper than .45 3. bullets are usually a little less than .45 You can load heavier .40 bullets for less recoil but if you use one of the more popular 180 grain bullets, it won't be as soft as a 200 or 230 grain .45 at the same powerfactor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digerup Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 So i should be more concerned about capacity, and looking for a .40 or a 9mm. I have thought about another XDM, I bought a 9 for my son and it seems to be decent but I think I would like something more customized, under $1500. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 So i should be more concerned about capacity, and looking for a .40 or a 9mm. I have thought about another XDM, I bought a 9 for my son and it seems to be decent but I think I would like something more customized, under $1500. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Jason You will not want to shoot 9MM in Limited Division. 9 MM counts for minor scoring. Shooting 40 and being scored major is the way to go. Production Division is ruled by 9MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 The discussion of recoil is pretty subjective and heavily weighted by personal tastes, but most I know who've been doing this for a little while realize that recoil is highly over-rated on the list of things to worry about. We start out thinking 'soft' is better. I mean, it must be, right? Maybe not... Soft or snappy...it comes down to how the sights track for you. If you find a soft load that tracks up and comes back into the rear sight without effort -- that's a keeper. If it makes squiggly figure-eights or loops and goes off in unpredictable patterns that make you waste time looking for it before you can fire a second shot, it's trash. Same can be said for snappy loads. The recoil doesn't hurt you so use it to your advantage. Use it to find that follow-up shot quicker (this IS a game measured in 1/100ths of second, after all). Ask to shoot some guns/loads at local matches. One thing USPSA shooters love to do is brag about their pet guns and loads (guilty, as charged ). Watch the front sight. Try differing grip pressures on them. Look for one that tracks right for you. Then persue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodownzero Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Limited is not a class; it is a division. I personally find that .40, regardless of bullet choice, has more recoil at major pf than .45 does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin40 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I'm not sure what your gun looking at but 40 capacity has more than a 2 round capacity above a 45. A 40 can go 20+1 easily, 21+1 with the right components and might require some tuning and 22+1 with right components and tuning. What is a 45 holding in a STI?? I'm guessing 16 and maybe 18 with new basepads, follower and springs?? Don't go with a 9 unless you already have one. Go with a 40 if your going to go ahead and purchase something for limited. You can watch the classifieds and get some 40cal dies. Flyin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digerup Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 I was leaning towards a Para S1640 Limited, but havent made my mind up yet. Next weekend I will be shooting at a different club and will get a chance to see what the guys in the other club are shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I'd watch the classifieds, there are some good deals in used limited S_I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin40 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 I'd watch the classifieds, there are some good deals in used limited S_I. +1 If your not in a hurry you can find a good deal in the classifieds. Flyin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonii Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 +1 on the capacity, +1 on brass is cheap and plentiful, bullets are cheaper. +1 on Major scoring too! actual recoil is the same, as the power factor is the same. "felt recoil" is subjective, many say that the .45 is softer shooting, I have 1911's in both and they feel much the same to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digerup Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 I am going to try and find a .40, but I was told a 9mm can be loaded heavy enough for major, is this not a very good way to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calmwater Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 A 9 can be loaded hot enough for major in OPEN. The smallest bullet diameter allowed by the rules for major power factor in limited is 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digerup Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Thanks for the info on that, the guy I talked to was shooting open with his 9, I didnt know Limited was different for major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulm540 Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 (edited) yup minimum for limited / standard is .40 cal. If I were you I'd save my money and get what you really want. I'd try every limited gun that is availbale in you r club. Don't make the same mistake I made. I went through 3 limited guns before settling with a Benny Hill fat free ( this is the gun I wanted after my first limited gun). My SV LDC is my back up, hoping to buy a top end to convert it to a six inch. Edited February 20, 2010 by bulm540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Most, if not all, of these questions are already answered here: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78927&view=findpost&p=913533 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 A year ago I would not of even had this thought but after working the Nationals and seeing the number of fancy steel guns puke, I would recommend a Glock 35. The 1911 crowd will hang me in effigy but bear with me. Find a GSSF match and join for $35, explain that you don't own a Glock but you are thinking of buying one. People will fall all over themselves offering to let you shoot their gun, hold out for a G17 (lowest recoil most used). So $25 gets you 3 stages to shoot and your name in a random drawing as a new member and random drawing in category. GSSF members get the oppurnity to buy a Glock at LE pricing, last year that was $480 through a limited number of dealers. Now it is a little more $ but the dealer pool is greater and you get the LE 3 magazines instead of the old 2. For a few $'s for extensions you can get a 20 round mag for say $60 instead of $100 or more for a tuned S_I. Do a 25 cent trigger and you can smooth the Glock trigger into something usable instead of paying a gunsmith to rework the Para trigger you were thinking about (been there done that but it was a 14-45). Light weight aluminum mag well (not really needed) inexpensive holster and pouches (2 double or 4 single) and you can be ready to rock & roll for about $750 probably less than just the Para stock. Maybe you can get lucky and find a G24 6" in the classifieds like I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digerup Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have never tried a Glock, heard from many people they love there Glocks. I will have to try one when I get a chance, this coming weekend we have a shoot. I talked to a member who's son has one set up for the open division, says he wouldn't consider anything else and he's tried several open guns. From what Ive seen you could set up an open gun for about $1200 new. I havent been a fan of the Glocks, but maybe its because Ive never had the opportunity to try one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 I have never tried a Glock, heard from many people they love there Glocks. I will have to try one when I get a chance, this coming weekend we have a shoot. I talked to a member who's son has one set up for the open division, says he wouldn't consider anything else and he's tried several open guns. From what Ive seen you could set up an open gun for about $1200 new. I havent been a fan of the Glocks, but maybe its because Ive never had the opportunity to try one. Not to be a wiseguy, but I think there's a reason why there are very few Open Glocks out there, and virtually none of the best shooters are using them. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) Don't tell Team Glock that virtually none of the best shooters are using them. Source 2010 Glock Annual. Edited February 22, 2010 by LPatterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Don't tell Team Glock that virtually none of the best shooters are using them. Source 2010 Glock Annual. They only have three shooters on the team and they don't seem to shoot much Open. I know Dave has shot some off and on over the years, but never at a big match that I'm aware of and looking at his classification page confirms that. One isn't even classified in Open and another only has a handful of Open classifiers (last one in 2008). I don't think it's going out on a limb saying that Glocks aren't terribly popular in Open and virtually none of the top folks are running them. I'm sure there's a couple of Open GM Glock shooters out there, but if we look at all the very top names, they're usually shooting something else. In Limited it's a totally different story and there certainly are some top shooters using Glocks. For the purposes of the OP, they're almost all in .40 where using anything else doesn't normally make much sense. R, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GForceLizard Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 So a Glock 35 would be a viable option in limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted February 22, 2010 Share Posted February 22, 2010 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-ManBart Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 So a Glock 35 would be a viable option in limited? Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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