Jeff Gonzales

Folks, This was a question from someone who frequents the board, but due to his job cannot participate in discussions while at work, bummer Anyways, if anyone can help answer this question or shed some light, please post here or you can email him directly at douglass9@hotmail.com Thanks, Hi Jeff! My job limits my ability to register for forums and thus I am unable to post to Brian's Glock forum, though maybe you have an answer to my question: Can the 9x19 be loaded to the new, lower, 165 Power Factor? I currently use my Mod. 19 in IPSC limited (since its the only suitable gun I have besides an STI Edge .45) and am considering buying another Glock. Although a .40 or .45 Glock would make Major easily, I am interested in shooting a 9mm Glock in Major/ unlimited. I am not interested in buying a .40 or .45 Glock. I have been reading about Glock conversion barrels in 9x21 - however, it occures to me that since the power factor has been reduced to 165, the 9 x19 could now be safely loaded to the lower major safely. I am not wreckless and have no desire to blow up an expensive gun (not to mention my hands). On the other hand, I know the SAAMI specs for the 9x19 were designed to shoot safely even in antique 9mm like the old lugers, P-38s, Astras, as well as all the ancient and lower quality 9mms still out there. The Glock seems to safely handle 9mm NATO (which is not loaded to the same specs as the 9x19 Parabelum) without a problem - even without a fully supported chamber. I currently carry the 19 loaded with Cor Bon hollow points that claim (on the box) 1350 FPS and they chronoed at 1330 FPS out of my Mod 19 - these would seem to be close to major if they were shot out of a 34, 17, or a 17L (major looks to be about 1340 FPS for the 9mm). My question - for you or the forum as you decide - is: can the 9x19 be loaded to make major out of a 34, 17, or 17L? I am sure there are lots of guys who would answer "Buy a 1911" (have one) or "buy a 40" (I could, but that is not my question). Besides extra case length and resulting bullet seating support, why go to all the extra hassle of buying some 9x21 barrel and then trying to source the overpriced brass? (NOTE the OAL of the 9x19 and the 9x21 is exactly the SAME - either round will fit in any gun designed for the 9mm). It seems 9x21 was just created (in the US anyway) to get around the USPSA rule against loading the 9mm to the old Major 175 power factor. Now that that's over, why bother with the 9x21?? Post this to the forum if you want, I will look for a response there. Thanks for contributing to an excellent website!! Douglas Johnson

Folks, This was a question from someone who frequents the board, but due to his job cannot participate in discussions while at work, bummer Anyways, if anyone can help answer this question or shed some light, please post here or you can email him directly at douglass9@hotmail.com Thanks, Hi Jeff! My job limits my ability to register for forums and thus I am unable to post to Brian's Glock forum, though maybe you have an answer to my question: Can the 9x19 be loaded to the new, lower, 165 Power Factor? I currently use my Mod. 19 in IPSC limited (since its the only suitable gun I have besides an STI Edge .45) and am considering buying another Glock. Although a .40 or .45 Glock would make Major easily, I am interested in shooting a 9mm Glock in Major/ unlimited. I am not interested in buying a .40 or .45 Glock. I have been reading about Glock conversion barrels in 9x21 - however, it occures to me that since the power factor has been reduced to 165, the 9 x19 could now be safely loaded to the lower major safely. I am not wreckless and have no desire to blow up an expensive gun (not to mention my hands). On the other hand, I know the SAAMI specs for the 9x19 were designed to shoot safely even in antique 9mm like the old lugers, P-38s, Astras, as well as all the ancient and lower quality 9mms still out there. The Glock seems to safely handle 9mm NATO (which is not loaded to the same specs as the 9x19 Parabelum) without a problem - even without a fully supported chamber. I currently carry the 19 loaded with Cor Bon hollow points that claim (on the box) 1350 FPS and they chronoed at 1330 FPS out of my Mod 19 - these would seem to be close to major if they were shot out of a 34, 17, or a 17L (major looks to be about 1340 FPS for the 9mm). My question - for you or the forum as you decide - is: can the 9x19 be loaded to make major out of a 34, 17, or 17L? I am sure there are lots of guys who would answer "Buy a 1911" (have one) or "buy a 40" (I could, but that is not my question). Besides extra case length and resulting bullet seating support, why go to all the extra hassle of buying some 9x21 barrel and then trying to source the overpriced brass? (NOTE the OAL of the 9x19 and the 9x21 is exactly the SAME - either round will fit in any gun designed for the 9mm). It seems 9x21 was just created (in the US anyway) to get around the USPSA rule against loading the 9mm to the old Major 175 power factor. Now that that's over, why bother with the 9x21?? Post this to the forum if you want, I will look for a response there. Thanks for contributing to an excellent website!! Douglas Johnson

Sam... Thanks.

Folks... I apologize for not being more a part of the forum this last month. I have been overseas training and as per SOP my time line went to hell in hand basket. One of the many things that got dropped was notifiing Brian and everyone here I would be away. My bad and I owe. Later,

As a former sniper, calling your shots was part of your shot. You had to know if you hit or missed. Being able to do this with the pistol has generated great success for me. I employ this but slightly different when shooting my pistol, rather than attempt to call the shot's impact, I merely call whether I had the front sight. Was I focused on the front sight when the round discharged and started the recoil impulse. If yes, my follow through is dictated by the effectiveness of the shots. If there is still a threat, press off more rounds. If I cannot recall my front sight, I assume I did not have it and immediately acquire the front sight and follow through with more shots. What I have really tried to do lately is totally let go consciously. I know that when things heat up, I default to good mechanics. It is just every other time that is not heated up that I work hard to call the front sight. You get that floating sensation, as the brass flies up and away almost in slow motion. I am not sure if I am thinking this as it happens or reflecting back on it, but those are my thoughts. It really helps when I remind myself, "don't think you can hit, know you can." Everything seems to fall into place then. Cannot emphasize enough how important it is to call your shots or in my case calling the front sight. later,

Things tend to get a little heated in many ways. Keeping things under control in such an enviornment can be tough. I enjoy the amount of information that comes through there, but agree there is a lot of chest beating and ego boasting. My biggest problem is trying to be the nice guy Don't give up, there is a lot of good information, just take it for what it is worth. Later,

Pat... We have a specific target with these dots, except for the top dot. It is an excellent target to work on your accuracy and often times we perform our warm-up on the target. Forgot to mention, this drill is more affectionaly known as "Dot Torture". Later, (Edited by Jeff Gonzales at 6:56 am on June 11, 2001)

Some good points, but I would disagree with the issue of the dots not being aligned with the top of the sights. It is such a marginal issue that it is not worth worring about. The difference so slight it has to be measured with calipers, will hardly amount to a drastic change of point of aim/point of impact at the realstic contact distances. The real issue, is the degree to which you can preform wounded man drills with the mentioned sights. Though it may be accomplished, I cannot count the number of times I have seen guys on the line trying to work the action of the firearm, but cannot get any purchase. Trijicons, Meprolights and a few others provide a posititve surface to firmly plant and work the action. As for brightness, the Trijicons are the top dog, 10 year warranty. Of course, there are some that failed quality control, bu what product hasn't. The post I put into my new carbine a month ago is brighter than the ones I have on my G19 which are 6 years old, but I have to hold them side by side to really pick up the difference. As for ruggedness, again, they and Meporlights are doing very good. I have racked the slide on my Glocks against walls, fire hydrants, mailboxes, corners, car doors you name and I have probably done it. They have taken quite a beaten and look no more the wear for it. Reliablity is a big issue with personnal defense. My older G19 has had a bunch of rounds through it roughly 25K and the majority of it was with military hot ammo. No cracked lamps, lost fillings or anything. I agree that there are many different sights available, but personal defense/combat situation, these two guys are hard to beat. later,

Pat... Now that is impressive. I had an old G19 and sold it after about 25K. I thought that was a lot. Of course, I just upgraded to a newer G19 w/ utility rails. Later,

For women with petite hands the G19 is an excellent combination. My wife uses a G19 and is very comfortable and proficient with it. With a healthy apetite for firearms, I believe the Glock will make an excellent addition. Chances are dust will accumulate on the others, but they still make great book ends, just kidding. Thanks for the welcomes. Later,

I run with Trijicon on all my guns. Bright, rugged and reliable. Later,

Hey guys, thanks for the welcome. Pat, My shooting experience comes from 12 years as a Navy SEAL. As an operator in combat and an instructor at BUDs. I am currently the Director of Training with Trident Concepts and an instructor at Gunsite, plus some off-shore stuff I do for the State Department. By no means do I know everything when it comes to shooting, but I have forgotten more than most. As for Glocks, they work under any circumstances. In combat or competition their performance is top notch. They will do their part as long as you do yours. Contrary to belief, I only own a few. As for Trident, we are the most diverse company out there. Nobody has the capability to accomplish what we do across the board. We are not solely responsible for shooting, but have many facets. All of which are brought to the public in cutting edge curriculum and programs. I hope this helps answers some questions, but feel free to ask me more. Take care and stay safe. Later,

Hey folks... I am helping out here moderating this forum. I am sure it will be lots of fun and look forward to a bunch a great posts. Feel free to introduce yourself or not. Later,

Jon... Not at all. I would suggest you follow the advice as far as trigger prep and trigger reset. If you can master them, you will probably find the trigger to be more to your likening. Later,

Hey guys... I just wanted to poke my head in hear and say hello. I am the new moderator for the Glock Forum. If I may suggest you hold off on selling you G35. There is plenty of good advice available on adjusting your load. Take some time to dig it up and if you are not happy then reconsider gettting rid of it. Later,