Griz

I would like a copy of that also if possible. Me too, please! Me three......please!! Post it here please!

I don't think I'd call criticizing vague rules as "bitching", but if it is, so be it. I just want the rules clear so that there is no confusion. If there is no confusion, people will be less hesitant to take the plunge and join the fun. I am not going to shoot Production, but I have friends who I might be able to drag out to the range and hopefully get them hooked on our sport, using the "Production" class to calm their timid hearts and get them to dip a toe into the water with no investment or pressure. Right now it seems like a mysterious secret cult to them with hidden rules, a secret handshake and $4000 guns. We need to bring NRA AP out into the light of day! As the rules read now, Glocks need a specific exemption from the DA on the first shot rule and it should *not* be another unspoken rule. I don't want Glocks prohibited, I want the rules fixed if the intent is to allow them. A Glock is *not* DAO, just try to dry fire one twice in a row without recocking the "striker" by racking the slide. In the same spirit, if the intent is to allow production revolvers, I think someone should do a little due diligence and make sure that the rules will work as intended. Maybe my N-frames came from the factory with abnormally light triggers, I don't know, I just know that if I had been a newbie and showed up with my 629-8 and a box of 44spl, not only would everyone point and laugh but I'd have been sent home if they weighed triggers. Would I have returned to try again after being turned away my first time out? I know that running a committee is not easy, certainly not as easy as pointing out mistakes semi-anonymously on an internet forum, but I'm just trying to help.

So most off-the-shelf S&W revolvers are out. Griz, Is your out of the box S&W revo trigger less then 3.5 lbs? I shot a 6 in 586, and it would pass that requirement no problem. That trigger weight requirement was recommended by a revo shooter that shoots NRA Action. Tom... All of mine came in at or just under 3lbs when new-in-box. (a 629,627 and 625). Maybe it's a N-frame thing but I suspect that a survey of new revolvers on a gun dealer's shelves would be hard pressed to find one that is 3.5lbs or heavier. I would suggest that if under the spirit of the rules, Glocks can be exempted from the DA on first shot rule that is clearly aimed at DA/SA semi-autos, revolvers should be exempted from the "3.5lbs in any mode" nonsense that is also, in the spirit of the rules, aimed at DA/SA semiautos. No serious competitor is going to be firing his revolver single action.

It looks like the "production" class is really trying to be a "modern service pistol" class since it seems to require DA/SA or DAO semiautos. "Modern service pistol" doesn't quite fit either though, since the most popular service pistol, the Glock, is prohibited as it cannot fire the first shot double action.

So most off-the-shelf S&W revolvers are out.

They are just getting started, so any experienced AP shooters willing to help make things run smoothly should be welcome. http://www.cr-pc.org/pistol-nra.asp The match organizer's email address is at the bottom of that page.

Why would Lee say that? For the same reason that we use them... The are easier to set off. That is a plus in a revolver with a light mainspring, but a minus in a press!

I think it's sad that all of the "modern" guns are so inferior to the 1911 that their users are afraid to compete against a bone-stock out of the box 1911...

The par times in NRA AP are very lenient, so time isn't an issue. The big emphasis is on accuracy. A typical match has 12 shots at 50, 12 shots at 35, 48 shots at 25 plus a bunch at 20, 15 and 10. I have noticed, as suggested by a couple of you in this thread, that the better shooters don't use rubber trigger stops, but I still need it as a crutch at the longer ranges, I guess I just don't have the trigger time on a revolver yet to be able to pull through accurately without staging the trigger. I didn't think of grinding flats on the set screw to adust it from the back. I'll give that a shot. Hopefully with enough practice I won't need the crutch any more.

I've been using a piece of rubber glued to the trigger guard to assist me in staging the trigger primarily for 50 yard shots in NRA Action Pistol. I'd like a more permanent solution that is easier to adjust. I bought some of the rubber tipped trigger stop screws from Brownells to see if they'd work, but the only way I can see to mount them is to drill and tap a hole through the trigger. Is this the way it is normally done? http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/Pro...20STOP%20SCREWS

I have a set of Sordin Supreme Pro's that are gathering dust while my Dillon muffs live in my range bag. The plastic sliding pieces on the Sordin headband are just too fragile for daily use. I broke two of them before I gave up.

Alrighty then, no more drinking and posting.

NRA Action Pistol seems very secretive and mysterious to newcomers. So much information is passed by word of mouth that if you are not in the inner circle of elite shooters, you are left in the dark wondering what's going on. If you really want to make NRA Action Pistol more friendly to newcomers, the first thing you need to do is to update and clean up the rule book and web site, and keep it updated. (Not to mention how hard it is to even find the rule book!) Particularly in the courses of fire section, there are so many things taken for granted that a new shooter doesn't know what to expect. A few examples from the July 2008 rulebook published online: No weak hand at 10 yards? OK, I think I just need to fire 6 shots from behind the barricade... Then I show up to my first match that includes this course of fire and see people firing 3 shots around one side of the barricade and three shots around the other side even though there is no mention of this in the rule book... I guess I can fire all 48 shots into one target, dunno why it mentions 3 targets...

How would 9mm help this situation? If you have a crazy light trigger job with a weak hammer in your 9mm like most guys have in their 38 stupors, you are still going to have to search for Fed100 primers and factory ammo probably won't run. Right?

We don't have to reload while prone in AP so it sounds like it might work for me.

If you go prone will the North Mountain holder dump clips, or even worse get crushed when I flop down on it? From the pictures it looks like it might be too wide to wear on the side to keep it out of the way. I shoot NRA Action Pistol and have not found a good solution for carrying my moon clips. Most guys use speedloaders and carry around a little tray to dump their brass in and they have the blocks in them that hold their ammo in position to be picked up by the speedloader. I've been using a mag dump pouch to carry my clips, but if I forget to take it off before going prone I dump clips everywhere. Looking for a better solution.

If you're the "Martin" I think you are, that's too perfect a setup for someone not to smack it out of the park, but I'm not gonna do it!

Does anyone know of a holster that is easy to adapt to a Browning Buckmark with optics? I may also add barricade wings for NRA Action Pistol but I'll figure that out when I get to it.