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  1. While on the topic I wonder if anyone has any experience with the Bowen Rough Country sight and how it would compare to the Weigand other than the Weigand probably offers quicker adjustments.
  2. Rover

    S&W 22

    Relative to tuning the .22 S&W there were some strings on this some time back: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...p;p=346926& http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=52448
  3. I think they are out of business now but has anyone ever seen or used a Buckeye speedloader for the 627 8 shot? They sort of looked like a HKS. The company used to have a website (www.buckeyetool.com) and I believe the contact person was Bill Kolodey.
  4. Not exactly nearby but not too far, either. There is Alan Tanaka over in the L.A. area that specializes in Smith revolvers. He has done a number of action jobs and rebarrelings for me and some others that I know. Here is a link to his information on the APG site: http://www.americanpistol.com/guild_member.php?mbrid=66 His turnaround times are relatively reasonable, too.
  5. Regarding the spring kit mentioned above for the GP-100. If you go over to the Ruger Forum in either the revolver section: http://www.rugerforum.org/phpBB/viewforum....817ce98a9f4661b or the gunsmithing section: http://www.rugerforum.org/phpBB/viewforum....817ce98a9f4661b there is a retired gunsmith who goes by the name Iowegan. He offers free a "IBOK" which he will email you detailing what can be cleaned up or smoothed in the gun and how for free. If someday you decide to have the gun worked upon Randy Lee does great work on these albeit he is probably better known for his S&W work. Here is a link to his shop site: http://www.apextactical.com/ Marc Morganti of Gemini Customs offers replacement sights for the SP-101 (I don't know if he makes them for the GP or if they will fit but you could contact him) in a number of configurations. His website is at: http://www.geminicustoms.com/
  6. Here is a discussion thread regarding SL Variants: http://p075.ezboard.com/SL-Variant-loaders...opicID=69.topic Here is the Manufacturer's website: http://www.longwitz.de/shop/index_e.php If they cannot be sent from Germany perhaps they can be obtained from one of these site: http://www.gunfactory.ch/acess/speedloader.htm (Swiss) There is website in Australia that also offers the speedloaders: http://www.sportingguns.com.au/UsedGuns/speedLoader.html Hope one of these will work for you. Rover
  7. I think you might be correct as my GP seems less than my 686. Both have the same Hogues on them. At any rate with the stud on the GP the trigger reach can definitely be reduced easier. I believe this agrees with some measurements J. Taffin did years ago and posted on his Sixgunner site.
  8. Forgot, you asked what the stock trigger pull was. It was 12.5 pounds double action but the gun had very little dry firing on it and was bought new. I would imagine after wearing in it would take a pound or so off the double action trigger pull. Thus, the 9 pound pull sounds like the mainspring might be due for a replacement as when I got mine back from tuning and put the Wolff 12 pound mainspring in it the double action was 8.8 pounds which is not far from what you have.
  9. I have had 4 tuned Redhawks over the years (tuned by different individuals). Dave has hit on the main points: less than optimal firing pin protrusion (mentioned by Bowen in his revolver book), weak mainsprings and transfer bar divots. The last tuned RH I had had about 8.8 DA pull and would fire Federal primers but not much else reliably in double action. This was with the Wolff 12 pound mainspring. By going to the 14 pound mainspring it would fire WW and Remington primers reliably. In order to get reliability in the past I have had to use the 14 pound mainspring as a minimum on the other Redhawks with other than Federal primers. As a reference the stock mainspring is 17 pounds. I might note it had a Bowen extended firing pin with 0.055" of protrusion and 0.062" headspace. Many come out of the factory with about .037" or so of protrusion. Aside from the Bowen fix there are some other ways to increase firing pin protrusion that are somewhat easier. Here is a link to one method: http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/repatriatedrugergp.html The trigger pull with the 14 pound mainspring mentioned above was about 10.2 pounds or so in DA. Some at the Ruger Forum have noted that a slow double action pull will cause a misfire whereas a fast pull will not. Bowen and Dave Clements (another Ruger gunsmith) have noted in the past that double actions with their tunes are about 10.5-11 pounds. In Bowen's case, at least, that is with the stock mainspring and he warns against going lighter where reliability is paramount. If the double action is 9 pounds with the stock mainspring I would think a replacement may be order based upon the foregoing.
  10. While on the topic has anyone tried the Bowen rear sight? I would imagine it should be relatively rugged. Any comments?
  11. Wonder if the RH cylinder has enough diameter for 7 rounds of .40? Ham. Bowen a while back created a RH version using a Super Redhawk as basis with the 2 spring action. I think he used the Alaskan version without the scope ring cuts and milled off the front frame extension and fitted a Redhawk barrel. Dennis Prisbrey, the owner, wrote it up in some gun magazine. Now, if Ruger would only come out with it in .45! There are or were some pictures of the end result over at the Ruger Forum I think. I have attached a copy of a picture of his SRH along with a modified GP-100.
  12. Too bad Ruger doesn't come out with a 10mm/.40S&W GP-100. I see Dave Clements does the conversions for about $450 complete with moon clips.
  13. Another possibility is Walt Sherman in Tallahassee, FL. He does roller action conversions on the older style (hammer mounted firing pin) S&W's along with Colt Pythons. The difference is his retains the single action feature. He can be reached at (904) 878-9563 last I knew and his shop is Sherman Custom Guns. He did a conversion for me on a 625 that I had (wish I still had it!).
  14. Thanks for the link. Interesting they have them for the .45 Colt and 7 shot L frames, too. There was a discussion over on another forum I recall. I think the loader, itself, is made in Germany but forget the name of the company. In looking at what Hermann is carrying there appears to be a lot of German items along with some French (Manurhin). For a while Dillon carried the speedloaders and they were not cheap but a lot of people seemed to like them.
  15. ?? re speedloaders. Someone mentioned using HKS. Has anyone any comments on the Safariland, pro or con? Did they ever make the Jet Loader in .44 mag?
  16. I agree with Round Gun Shooter. In this mode the hand will be all the way up on the side of the ratchet. Besides forcing cone and the lockup I would also check when locked up how loose the cylinder is and barrel/cyl. gap. If I recall S&W is quite generous in their tolerances.
  17. I believe he was up in Michigan. Ayoob stated he only did action jobs for himself and maybe a few close friends as I recall. Don't know why he got out of tuning unless it was too hectic. If I recall correctly a couple of pages after Ayoob's article was the one on Walt Sherman. I think Ayoob's article ran 4-5 pages in total so may be interesting if one could obtain a copy of the article. Anyhow, Moran was another of the big names in Python tuning. Not many left.
  18. A little update. It appears Dave Berryhill has changed his focus primarily to 1911 'smithing as of May. Perhaps he could still be coaxed into an action job, though. If not perhaps he would know to whom else Austin Behlert taught his Python tuning method or failing that another well qualified 'smith. The date of the American Handgunner article was Sept/Oct 1992. This also had the Massad Ayoob article therein "Colt Python". Perhaps back copies are available.
  19. I agree about checking endshake and headspace. Might check the rear of the cylinder to see it is machined true and firing pin protrusion, also. Cylinder & Slide also makes an extended firing pin for the frame mounted guns if protrusion is a problem but I would not think that would be the case 1/6th of the time. At any rate with the sideplate off it is easy enough to take the pin out and clean it and the channel.
  20. Sounds like a good idea. I have a single station along with the Dilleon 650. Several come to mind. Lee just came out with a new cast iron press: http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/br...og/classic.html Perhaps the ultimate is http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/ultramag.html but to be honest for what you are reloading this one will work, too http://www.redding-reloading.com/pages/bosspress.html Lyman has the Crusher press: http://www.lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts...es/Crusher2.jpg RCBS has the Rock Chucker http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=4&s2=2&s3=6 and Reloader 5 http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=4&s2=2&s3=7 Here is the Forster Co-ax http://www.forsterproducts.com/Pages/press.htm
  21. A little more on Pythons. From what I can gather some of the 'smiths also either lightened the firing pin spring or put in a custom extended firing pin to work with the lessened mainspring tension. Here is some info from over at the Colt Forum on rapid double actioning of Colts: at: http://www.coltforum.com/forums/showflat.p...age=0#Post27105 http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t...ght=colt+timing http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t...t+double+action Dfariswheel I believe posts at Pistolsmith, Colt and S&W Forums and is a retired gunsmith. Unlike a S&W or Ruger the older style Colt revolvers have a 2 stage hand to rotate the cylinder via the ratchet and the 2nd stage holds tight against the ratchet to lock the cylinder in alignment against the bolt versus being locked to the side of the ratchet.. The hand seems to have a life of 2000-4000 cycles. It can be lengthened once by peening. Here is a post from a blog by a gunsmith who works on Colts about "fragile" Colts and whether Colt has permanently ceased revolver manufacture: http://www.grantcunningham.com/blog/files/category-6.html At sixgunner.com Michael Blane appears to concur with Cunningham regarding the tooling being destroyed. See: http://forums.sixgunner.com/Double-Actions/forumid_77/tt.htm In the article in American Handgunner on Walt Sherman I recall he mentioned that some of his Pythons came out around 4.5 pounds DA used with Federal primers that had tight headspace, min. endshake and such but most were a bit heavier. I believe Sherman was the armorer for the Florida Hwy. Patrol when they carried Pythons. I recall Berryhill said the 6 pound DA fired a small rifle primer so I would think 6 lb range is doable. Depends what you will use the Python for. Behlert actually built one gun for Colt Marketing (see http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t...ighlight=python ). As to hands Numrich has them in stock at: http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrP...SKU=197370A&MC= for $30. I would buy a couple just in case. One other thing. John Taffin mentioned once the firing pins were fragile so never dry fire without a snap cap. Might want to acquire one of those, also.
  22. New here but have found a lot of good information so far. To answer the question on Python 'smiths ones I can think of are the following: Cylinder & Slide - www.cylinder-slide.com Dave Berryhill - http://www.berryhillguns.com/ Geo. Wessinger - http://www.americanpistol.com/members/wessinger.html Walt Sherman - no website 5846 Tea Rose Trail Tallahassee, FL 32311 904-878-9563 I do not know if all the stacking is removed by C&S. There was a writeup in Combat Handguns a while back on a Supertuned PYthon they did with 7.25 lb DA pull. Sherman is noted for his roller actions on Pythons and S&W and he RETAINS the single action unlike the C&S roller action for S&W. The one I saw had about 6.5 pound DA, 2.5 lb SA and fired magnum primers. There was a writeup on him in the early '90s in American Handgunner in the issue that M. Ayoob had an article on all his Pythons. Sorry, don't have the date. Berryhill states he uses Austrin Behlert's method of removing stacking and the DA came out around 6 pounds. Austin produced some in the 5 lb range. Single came out light and in the 2 lb range. There are a number of different methods of removing the stacking. The old method involves bending the rear of the trigger shelf. This does not allow a light single action pull but pull can be set near 4 lbs. I believe Jungkind used this method. As far as I know he is retired. Might want to check and see for certain. Behlert's method involved cutting a groove in the trigger shelf and modifying the DA sear (Colt=hammer strut) to ride in the groove. His did not require retiming the revolver. Whatever Sherman does there is not much if any stacking in the gun. There are a couple of other methods that I don't think any use currently. Due to the long hammer arc of the Python it should work with a relatively light pull compared to other models with the same work done. As to spring kits Bullseye makes one with a new mainspring and cylinder bolt spring. I think Natchez Shooters Supply sells them. Also, there is the traditional method of bending the Colt mainspring.
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